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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2639171, member: 24314&quot;]<span style="color: #003366">[USER=4920]@eddiespin[/USER] </span></p><p><span style="color: #003366"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #003366">I seriously think you started your &quot;5 o&#039;clock somewhere&quot; long before [USER=25941]@Green[/USER] 16 today as I was having a little trouble understanding your post.&nbsp; I just finished a glass of merlot with dinner so I will try again.&nbsp; Your last sentence is perfectly clear and sums up what I think we both will agree on:&nbsp; &quot;You let me have the freedom to decide what&#039;s acceptable to me, you don&#039;t decide it.&quot; </span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">Now... You wrote this: </span>&quot;Very good rebuttal. I can&#039;t say I agree with all of it, but with much of it. <span style="color: #b30000">Thank you and I liked your comments also.</span> What I really liked is it was easy to follow where your issues were. This method was much better than the traditional quote/comment rebuttal. Having said that, maybe my line between cleaning and conservation is different from yours. <span style="color: #b30000">I&#039;m sure it is! As for me, if I can tell a coin was &quot;conserved,&quot; then it becomes a bad cleaning job. It&#039;s that simple.&nbsp; The problem comes when someone does not have the expertise to tell when a coin looks/is original (and acceptable for an original coin) or not.&nbsp; In my experience, 85% of the dealers and 95% of the collectors who have not had formal training CANNOT TELL if a coin is original no matter what it grades!</span> What do you say to that, Sherlock?&nbsp; <span style="color: #b30000">I say that you may be in the 85 - 95%; however, at the moment, based on your comments, I don&#039;t think that is the case. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span> I know for a fact that the PCGS &quot;coin sniffer&quot; at least used to detect the chemicals in [USER=17261]@BadThad[/USER]&#039;s dip as &quot;doctoring.&quot; Hmmm.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Perhaps that is as good a reason as ever to make some adjustments to the &quot;sniffer.&quot; I wonder if that machine can detect the smell of &quot;ass&quot; that professional graders at NGC call one of the substances a specific coin doctor uses.</span> Maybe somebody ought to get out of the way and make you boss, huh?&nbsp; <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Not at all.&nbsp; I&#039;ll ignore your comment - possibly made out of frustration for being challenged and apologize to [USER=25941]@Green[/USER] 18 for being dragged into this.&nbsp; I don&#039;t want to be the boss of anything; I prefer to be considered an informed numismatist.</span>&nbsp; You got a &quot;like&quot; from our chum [USER=10103]@green18[/USER], but then he likes everybody around that happy hour. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>You disclose what you know to me. And I&#039;ll ask the right questions, and you find the answers. Your ethic, not being obliged to disclose when you in your infinite discretion determine it&#039;s conservation as opposed to cleaning, falls apart when asked, directly, because it forces you to lie. <span style="color: #b30000">IMO, this is totally nuts!</span>&nbsp; <span style="color: #b30000">I spent fifteen minutes this afternoon writing on this thread in order to clarify what I consider some misconceptions about cleaning. What more can you ask for? </span> <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Cleaning is a matter of degree.&nbsp; At some point between conservation (proper cleaning) and improper cleaning, even an uninformed, visually challenged, coin hoarder can tell a coin is not original! </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Actually, <b>you just caught me posting one of those lies </b>you accused me of. As I wrote above, MOST CANNOT! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Show a typical collector <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> a polished Peace dollar and an original satin Unc and they&#039;ll prefer the polished coin 10 times out of ten! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; Try it at your next coin club meeting.</span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Are we understanding this? Let me simplify it. You don&#039;t put makeup on a coin you want to sell me. I find out you ever did, it&#039;s the last one. <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Since you&#039;ll never see my work, you&#039;ll never know will you...</span><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> You let me have the freedom to decide what&#039;s acceptable to me, you don&#039;t decide it.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">PS I really enjoyed our discussion.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; Good night.</span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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