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<p>[QUOTE="IMP Shogun, post: 7894045, member: 114683"]Happy Friday!</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=victoria" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=victoria" rel="nofollow">Victory / Victoria is a frequent representation on Roman coins.</a> Nobody likes a good victory more than the Romans. I love these types and went back and wanted to share a bunch in one thread starting with the Flavians and ending with a shocking and dramatic auction house misidentification ***shocking, but true (maybe)***</p><p><br /></p><p>I'd say I'm in the lower-priced but lots of variety category, so if that's your thing too enjoy the ride:</p><p><br /></p><p>The big dog liked his Victoria, here awarding wreath onto a trophy or standard</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/vespasian-denarius.17861/full?d=1626400603" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><font size="3"> Vespasian 69-79 A.D. denarius RIC II.2 362 </font></p><p><font size="3">Victoria AR N 72-73 Roma </font></p><p><font size="3">Laureate head right </font></p><p><font size="3">IMP CAES VESP AVG P M COS IIII </font></p><p><font size="3">VICTORIA AVGVSTI </font></p><p><font size="3">Victoria advancing r., about to place wreath on trophy </font></p><p><font size="3">C 618 </font></p><p><font size="3">17.5mm 2.81g</font></p><p><br /></p><p>I know Trajan has denarius with Victoria awarding a wreath, I do not, but do have her with the palm:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-denarius.18230/full?d=1631991519" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>RIC 193</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/purchased-for-the-portrait.386050/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/purchased-for-the-portrait.386050/">In another thread</a> David Atherton - who seemingly is allowed to buy much more coins than me, shared a Domitian dupondius. There were some interesting similar styling between Domitian and Trajan, but more broadly between the Flavian dynasty and the Adoptives. </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-248.18227/full?d=1631986709" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><font size="3"> Titus 79–81 A.D. as RIC II 248 Victory 80-81 Roma </font></p><p><font size="3">laureate head right </font></p><p><font size="3">IMP T CAES VESP AVG P M TR P COS VIII </font></p><p><font size="3">VICTORIA - AVGVST SC </font></p><p><font size="3">Victory standing right on prow, carrying wreath and palm branch SC across field </font></p><p><font size="3"> 28.4mm 10.92g</font></p><p><br /></p><p>Trajan rose to authority in Domitian's government serving as legatus legionis in Hispania Tarraconensis and also putting down the Rhine revolt on his behalf. Historians indicate Nerva was forced, or wisely decided to pick the popular general Trajan - oh yeah the guy with the most soldiers at the moment! Looks like Trajan rewarded the Domitian folks by keeping some consistency in the mints - purely conjecture on my part:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-193.18228/full?d=1631986709" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><font size="3"> Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 594 Victory 112-114 Roma </font></p><p><font size="3">laureate head to right, with aegis on left shoulder </font></p><p><font size="3">IMP CAES NERVAE TRAIANO AVG GER DAC P M TR P COS VI P P </font></p><p><font size="3">S P Q R OPTIMO [P]RINCIPI SC </font></p><p><font size="3">Victory advancing to right, with wreath and palm; S C in fields </font></p><p><font size="3">also see: Woytek 475c; BMCRE 1002 var. (bust type) </font></p><p><font size="3">26mm 10.7g 6h </font></p><p><br /></p><p>A funny CT'r might say these two resemble each other because both reverses are smoothed!</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/nero-as.18231/full?d=1631991728" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><font size="3"> The Julio-Claudian Dynasty Nero 54–68 A.D. as RIC II 172, 368 Victory 66-68 Roma Laureate head right </font></p><p><font size="3">IMP NERO CAESAR AVG GERM S C </font></p><p><font size="3">Victory flying left, holding shield inscribed S P Q R, in between S C</font></p><p><font size="3">26.0mm 10.54g </font> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-402.18224/full?d=1631986709" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><font size="3"> Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 402 Victory 98-99 Roma </font></p><p><font size="3">Laureate head right </font></p><p><font size="3">IMP CAES NERVA TRAIAN AVG GERM P M </font></p><p><font size="3">TR POT COS II P P SC </font></p><p><font size="3">Victory walking left, holding palm and shield inscribed SPQR; SC in fields </font></p><p><font size="3">27mm 12.6g 5h </font></p><p><br /></p><p>I bought this one through John Anthony, nice portrait and now I think a duplicate:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-395.18225/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1631986709" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><font size="3"> Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 395 Victory 98-99 Roma </font></p><p><font size="3">Laureate head right </font></p><p><font size="3">IMP CAES NERVA TRAIAN AVG GERM PM </font></p><p><font size="3">TR POT [COS II PP] SC </font></p><p><font size="3">Victory walking left, holding shield inscribed SPQR; S – C. </font></p><p><font size="3">From the DePew Collection </font></p><p><font size="3">26.0mm 9.70g 6h </font></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-434.18223/full?d=1631986709" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><font size="3"> Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 434 Victory 101-102 Roma </font></p><p><font size="3">laureate head to right </font></p><p><font size="3">IMP CAES [NER]VA TRAIAN AVG GERM P M </font></p><p><font size="3">TR POT COS IIII P P </font></p><p><font size="3">Victory walking to left, holding palm branch and shield inscribed S P Q R; S-C across fields. </font></p><p><font size="3">27mm 11.83g 6h </font></p><p><br /></p><p>The below fine plus grade has the Optimo Principi reverse with TR P on the obverse - you're running out of room Trajan!</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-521.18226/full?d=1631986709" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><font size="3"> Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 521 Victory 103-111 Roma </font></p><p><font size="3">laureate head right </font></p><p><font size="3">IMP CAES NERVAE TRAIANO AVG GER DAC PM TR P COS V P P </font></p><p><font size="3">SPQR OPTIMO PRINCIPI SC Victory advancing left, SC across fields </font></p><p><font size="3">27.01mm 9.9g </font> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now the drama. The controversy. The reason why you were forced almost against your will to click and like this thread:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Roma had the next coin listed as follows, but I believe it is RIC II 395 and they misidentified the reverse and it is an earlier style portrai:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.romanumismatics.com/250-lot-867-trajan-a-as?arr=0&auction_id=150&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.romanumismatics.com/250-lot-867-trajan-a-as?arr=0&auction_id=150&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year=" rel="nofollow">Trajan Æ As. Rome, AD 101-102. IMP CAES NERVA TRAIAN AVG GERM P M, laureate head to right / TR POT COS IIII P P, Victory walking to left, holding shield inscribed S P Q R in two lines; S-C across fields. RIC II 434 corr. (no palm branch, TR not TP); Woytek 113a; BMCRE 751. 9.30g, 29mm, 6h.</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Very Fine.</p><p>From the Antonio Carmona Collection.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-395.18229/full?d=1631986709" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>But I believe this to be RIC II 395 with COS II not IIII P P on the reverse and an earlier style portrait, although I'm open to suggestions on this. </p><p><br /></p><p>Let's see some Victoria, Trajan, or Flavian, and if I'm totally wrong on the ID on the last one.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="IMP Shogun, post: 7894045, member: 114683"]Happy Friday! [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=victoria']Victory / Victoria is a frequent representation on Roman coins.[/URL] Nobody likes a good victory more than the Romans. I love these types and went back and wanted to share a bunch in one thread starting with the Flavians and ending with a shocking and dramatic auction house misidentification ***shocking, but true (maybe)*** I'd say I'm in the lower-priced but lots of variety category, so if that's your thing too enjoy the ride: The big dog liked his Victoria, here awarding wreath onto a trophy or standard [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/vespasian-denarius.17861/full?d=1626400603[/IMG] [SIZE=3] Vespasian 69-79 A.D. denarius RIC II.2 362 Victoria AR N 72-73 Roma Laureate head right IMP CAES VESP AVG P M COS IIII VICTORIA AVGVSTI Victoria advancing r., about to place wreath on trophy C 618 17.5mm 2.81g[/SIZE] I know Trajan has denarius with Victoria awarding a wreath, I do not, but do have her with the palm: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-denarius.18230/full?d=1631991519[/IMG] RIC 193 [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/purchased-for-the-portrait.386050/']In another thread[/URL] David Atherton - who seemingly is allowed to buy much more coins than me, shared a Domitian dupondius. There were some interesting similar styling between Domitian and Trajan, but more broadly between the Flavian dynasty and the Adoptives. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-248.18227/full?d=1631986709[/IMG] [SIZE=3] Titus 79–81 A.D. as RIC II 248 Victory 80-81 Roma laureate head right IMP T CAES VESP AVG P M TR P COS VIII VICTORIA - AVGVST SC Victory standing right on prow, carrying wreath and palm branch SC across field 28.4mm 10.92g[/SIZE] Trajan rose to authority in Domitian's government serving as legatus legionis in Hispania Tarraconensis and also putting down the Rhine revolt on his behalf. Historians indicate Nerva was forced, or wisely decided to pick the popular general Trajan - oh yeah the guy with the most soldiers at the moment! Looks like Trajan rewarded the Domitian folks by keeping some consistency in the mints - purely conjecture on my part: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-193.18228/full?d=1631986709[/IMG] [SIZE=3] Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 594 Victory 112-114 Roma laureate head to right, with aegis on left shoulder IMP CAES NERVAE TRAIANO AVG GER DAC P M TR P COS VI P P S P Q R OPTIMO [P]RINCIPI SC Victory advancing to right, with wreath and palm; S C in fields also see: Woytek 475c; BMCRE 1002 var. (bust type) 26mm 10.7g 6h [/SIZE] A funny CT'r might say these two resemble each other because both reverses are smoothed! [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/nero-as.18231/full?d=1631991728[/IMG] [SIZE=3] The Julio-Claudian Dynasty Nero 54–68 A.D. as RIC II 172, 368 Victory 66-68 Roma Laureate head right IMP NERO CAESAR AVG GERM S C Victory flying left, holding shield inscribed S P Q R, in between S C 26.0mm 10.54g [/SIZE] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-402.18224/full?d=1631986709[/IMG] [SIZE=3] Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 402 Victory 98-99 Roma Laureate head right IMP CAES NERVA TRAIAN AVG GERM P M TR POT COS II P P SC Victory walking left, holding palm and shield inscribed SPQR; SC in fields 27mm 12.6g 5h [/SIZE] I bought this one through John Anthony, nice portrait and now I think a duplicate: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-395.18225/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1631986709[/IMG] [SIZE=3] Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 395 Victory 98-99 Roma Laureate head right IMP CAES NERVA TRAIAN AVG GERM PM TR POT [COS II PP] SC Victory walking left, holding shield inscribed SPQR; S – C. From the DePew Collection 26.0mm 9.70g 6h [/SIZE] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-434.18223/full?d=1631986709[/IMG] [SIZE=3] Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 434 Victory 101-102 Roma laureate head to right IMP CAES [NER]VA TRAIAN AVG GERM P M TR POT COS IIII P P Victory walking to left, holding palm branch and shield inscribed S P Q R; S-C across fields. 27mm 11.83g 6h [/SIZE] The below fine plus grade has the Optimo Principi reverse with TR P on the obverse - you're running out of room Trajan! [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-521.18226/full?d=1631986709[/IMG] [SIZE=3] Trajan 98-117 A.D. as RIC II 521 Victory 103-111 Roma laureate head right IMP CAES NERVAE TRAIANO AVG GER DAC PM TR P COS V P P SPQR OPTIMO PRINCIPI SC Victory advancing left, SC across fields 27.01mm 9.9g [/SIZE] Now the drama. The controversy. The reason why you were forced almost against your will to click and like this thread: Roma had the next coin listed as follows, but I believe it is RIC II 395 and they misidentified the reverse and it is an earlier style portrai: [URL='https://www.romanumismatics.com/250-lot-867-trajan-a-as?arr=0&auction_id=150&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year=']Trajan Æ As. Rome, AD 101-102. IMP CAES NERVA TRAIAN AVG GERM P M, laureate head to right / TR POT COS IIII P P, Victory walking to left, holding shield inscribed S P Q R in two lines; S-C across fields. RIC II 434 corr. (no palm branch, TR not TP); Woytek 113a; BMCRE 751. 9.30g, 29mm, 6h.[/URL] Very Fine. From the Antonio Carmona Collection. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/trajan-as-ric-ii-395.18229/full?d=1631986709[/IMG] But I believe this to be RIC II 395 with COS II not IIII P P on the reverse and an earlier style portrait, although I'm open to suggestions on this. Let's see some Victoria, Trajan, or Flavian, and if I'm totally wrong on the ID on the last one.[/QUOTE]
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