Trade dollar 1875-S authenticity?

@larssten

If you don't want the first coin I hope you'll tell us where to find it as it would fit nicely in my collection. Thanks.

 

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And oh yah it is the very popular S/CC mintmark worth about 850$ in an PCGS xf45 chop mark holder.

Great coin

 

Good eye @crypto79

One of my friends informed me that both he and JD have interesting articles on Trade dollars coming in the next LSCC Journal. From what I saw in his draft it may shake up a few registry sets as far as being anywhere close to complete!

 

What are you talking about? the 77s secondary hub pair discovered a year or so ago?

 

Nope, but that was mentioned and published in CW and NN. I snagged an MS in Unc already. I am sworn to secrecy until the Journal is published about the other changes.

BTW, the guys with the Registry Sets think all the changes to the Type 2 hub are minor and inconsequential!

 

Not inconsequential but not important enough to hunt for. A minor variance on a small variance is getting a bit in the weeds.

The only thing that would excite me would be a 76cc 2/2, 76 1/1 micro S, 78 micro S or a major Doubled Die.

 

The "weeds?" What I find in those "weeds" are the true numismatists, variety collectors, and specialists in any coin series such as Trade dollars. Hub changes are not important? Tell that to the Shield nickel researchers!

Unfortunately, the only doubled die Trade dollars that are not published are also "not important enough" as the ones I have recorded are of the "micro" variety. As for your other fantasy coins...they do not exist because the hub combinations are impossible. There cannot be a Micro S on a Type 1 or Type 2 reverse. They only exist on the 2M hubs and that is about to be changed. I'll check with my friend on the 76-CC when I speak to him.

 

@crypto79 No 76-CC with Type 2 hubs, all are type 2M and 2M'.

 

There are lots of 76cc with type 2 rev hubs, just not any type 2 obvs as the production run of 509k wrapped up in June before the type 2 obv were put into production. That is also why the 2l rev is also unkownon the issue. I know (as well as anybody can) that none of those coins exists, that is why they would excite me which is the gist of the comment.

I respect you drive to go deep, just realize that the further you get from mainstream, the further you are from the mainstream. You're branching into almost a per-die level of study similar to VAMs. The only difference the avg price of the base coins are much higher on trades than say Peace dollars. Yes every die is is going to be a little different but that doesn't mean that a standard or even advanced set should have every die pair coin in it. Keeping it to naked eye varieties and the the two major hub types (which are naked eye visible) and a few major mint mark variances keep the set orderly at least to me.

Besides the naked eye stuff is rare enough that most people will never finish it, why make it harder? Do you have a 75p 1/1 or 76p 2/2 in business strike? How about a 4finger 76p or 76s DDO? Hell most people are ok with just an S/CC and the date and MM which is at least a $10k commitment even for lower F-VF coins. All of that said going the extra level deep allows you to find rare coins in the wild and build a set as you see fit which is really what the hobby is all about.

 

I respect you and your opinion except now apparently four major reverse hub types have been identified.

People can collect whatever they wish. Take Large cents. Some consider the Redbook varieties a complete set, some collect just 1794 and consider that complete while a few collectors have completed all the Sheldon varieties less the non-collectibles. As you must know one collector almost finished a complete set of all of those extremely NC coins.

Same thing exists for Trade dollars. Registry sets come in all flavors of circulated, MS, and even chopped. However, my numismatic buddy has not been writing about die states, die parings, mint mark sizes or positions. His article (which I got to proof read) is about actual "naked eye" changes to the hubs for various dates similar to a reverse with a berry or without one! Probably less than three advanced collectors know about or have bothered to research the series as deeply. One of those is writing a book that should liven up interest in the series when it is finished. Perhaps one day their work will be appreciated (not considered in the weeds) by many new collectors OR perhaps not. That should not change my opinion or your opinion of what makes a complete collection of Trade dollars.

 

This is a feature, not a bug, and should be the goal for every series possible.

 

Under standing and research maybe but in terms of bring new collectors into the fold it can actually be detrimental. VAMs started hot and then there got to be way to many and people lost track of which were minor and which ones were major and now the market is very very thin.

The types that dive into that level will always arrive to that point but casual collectors can get over whelmed and turned off by a never ending challange. There should be a basic set, major variety and then maybe some sort of specialist sets. No one is saying that people can't study down to the die pair level or even collect like that but it would make no sense to make a registry to that effect.

That is really to gap in the conversation, I am talking about the settled specialist registry which is already almost incompletable and you two are talking about numismatic research and pursuit which we all support.

 

Well, understand I'm only seeing half of your conversation; you're discussing this with somebody I have on Ignore. If the root subject was a variety-level Registry, I was unaware and can agree with everything you say (not that I don't anyways). One of the appeals of numismatics is that you can enjoy it on whatever level of specialization you want - conceding that understanding generalized grading and values is a prerequisite - and it's only for the truly hardcore to delve deep into arcane variety designations. Nothing's stopping anyone from collecting a simple Date Set of Early Large Cents or Bust Halves, even though the majority of collectors specializing in each concentrate on individual varieties.

This was a good thing, because the advance of learning didn't so much cause people to lose track as it did define the (obvious if you think it through) fact that there are very, very few "major" added-value varieties. There shouldn't be very many attempting to collect the die pairs of an issue which had half a billion examples minted. It's a path to psychological ruin.

 

I have found that posting on a thread without reading the discussion or knowing anything about the subject is common around here:

 

Did you win the S/CC?