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<p>[QUOTE="cwtokenman, post: 223909, member: 2100"]The "top" tpgs websites discuss various types of cleaning regarding coins. Typically tpgs only claim that they will not grade those coins deemed to be harshly or improperly cleaned - which leads me at least, to think that other types of cleaned coins are graded by them on a somewhat routine basis. I recommend going to their websites and reading about it firsthand. Even harshly or improperly cleaned coins will be slabbed by the top tpgs when it suits them. If you have doubts about that, read the descriptions for some of the slabbed rarities such as 1894-S dimes, 1804 dollars, etc. to find specific examples. Seems not all coins (or should that be submittors?) are treated equally.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you are looking to make "safe" purchases, the "top" tpgs do offer some degree of safety, but you do not get that without paying a price. I can not if regular coinage is similar, but exonumia slabs seem to bring about 3-5 times the price for an equivalent raw token (on ebay), which greatly mystifies me. There are extremely few fake/altered cwts, cleanings are basically of little significance, exonumia collectors seldom use the Sheldon scale (mostly just sellers of slabs use it), and even problems like a hole only knock about 15% off the price, so I am not sure what the attraction is to the piece of plastic. </p><p><br /></p><p>I do know from the premium for exonumia slabs that I could make 2-4 "bad" purchases for every single "good" one, and I would have just as many "nice" tokens as if I had only purchased slabs. Improve on that ratio and you are value ahead.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cwtokenman, post: 223909, member: 2100"]The "top" tpgs websites discuss various types of cleaning regarding coins. Typically tpgs only claim that they will not grade those coins deemed to be harshly or improperly cleaned - which leads me at least, to think that other types of cleaned coins are graded by them on a somewhat routine basis. I recommend going to their websites and reading about it firsthand. Even harshly or improperly cleaned coins will be slabbed by the top tpgs when it suits them. If you have doubts about that, read the descriptions for some of the slabbed rarities such as 1894-S dimes, 1804 dollars, etc. to find specific examples. Seems not all coins (or should that be submittors?) are treated equally. If you are looking to make "safe" purchases, the "top" tpgs do offer some degree of safety, but you do not get that without paying a price. I can not if regular coinage is similar, but exonumia slabs seem to bring about 3-5 times the price for an equivalent raw token (on ebay), which greatly mystifies me. There are extremely few fake/altered cwts, cleanings are basically of little significance, exonumia collectors seldom use the Sheldon scale (mostly just sellers of slabs use it), and even problems like a hole only knock about 15% off the price, so I am not sure what the attraction is to the piece of plastic. I do know from the premium for exonumia slabs that I could make 2-4 "bad" purchases for every single "good" one, and I would have just as many "nice" tokens as if I had only purchased slabs. Improve on that ratio and you are value ahead.[/QUOTE]
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