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Message:: [QUOTE="GoldFinger1969, post: 2101652, member: 73489"]GD and Lehigh, I want to THANK YOU BOTH for a fascinating back-and-forth.  While my eyes have glazed over at times, I really do appreciate both of your viewpoints.  I'm more in Lehigh's camp, but I can appreciate GD's arguments and where you are coming from. All the 'wear' arguments have me asking a few questions:<ol> <li>If it is virtually impossible for a coin -- MSD, Saint, whatever -- to come off the press and go into bags and then avoid the 'wear' that comes from bouncing around a coin bag, would this imply that most MS coins would therefore come from someone grabbing them special off the press and avoiding the bag ?</li> <li>Is it a fundamental distinction between the non-circulation wears that Lehigh cites and the wear references GD sites ? In other words, is it possible that for simplicity sake that the TPGs ASSUMED that any 'wear' from bag rolls and other non-circulated 'wear' would be LESS than that from a coin circulating in the general economy, even if only for days/weeks before it was pulled ?</li> <li>GD, what % of current MS coins for a popular series like MSDs or Saints would get demoted down to AU if your stricter standards were employed ?  It seems like it would be ALOT -- no ?</li> <li>GD, if alot of MS coins are by your standards only AU, how do you buy stuff ?  You won't pay up for what you think are overgraded coins -- do you buy alot of non-TPG raw stuff ?</li> </ol>Again, a fascinating back-and-forth.  As important as I think the debate is, I think the overgrading in general and counterfeit issues are more important to 99% of the hobby.  But you guys have provided an important service -- thank you !!<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]

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