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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Kirkuleez, post: 2101235, member: 36864&quot;]Yes, I agree with the TPG application of market grading on the basis of roll or bag friction. Frankly I don&#039;t see how they could do it any other way. My only problem with it is the inconsistency that has been applied over the years and amongst different coin types. I understand the principle that larger coins, softer metal and high relief designs are much more likely to display friction as wear over other smaller coins even though the coin is technically mint state. But the principle is often ignored on early Lincoln cents mercury dimes and others. All I&#039;ve ever asked for from them is consistency in this regard. </p><p><br /></p><p>How many times have you seen a toned coin with high points that are white graded MS?&nbsp; If the definition is only applied to roll or bag friction, how could a coin tone, get the toning rubbed off of the high points, then still receive a MS or (unimpaired) PR grade?&nbsp; I would point to the 1870 proof set that Matt received loose in a cardboard box as a prime example. Not to take anything away from the set, but none of them should have been graded above PR-58 in my opinion, yet none of them received an impaired grade. This neglects the definition and is simply placing a value on a coin as far as I&#039;m concerned. </p><p><br /></p><p>As far as Doug&#039;s relentless need to argue the point goes, I think he just really likes the debate. I have much respect for yours and Doug&#039;s knowledge of coins and standards, so I&#039;d prefer not to take a stance either way. I think we all have certain grading criteria that is not the same as what many would consider industry standard. Certainly I&#039;ve learned quite a bit from both of you, but I can&#039;t agree with it all. My own grading standards have evolved over time as much as TPG standard have changed (another debate for another time), but this is not to say that what I may have graded MS thirty years ago would not be MS today, more like I am just more discerning in the coins that I want in my collection.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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