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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2098796, member: 112&quot;]Paul it never ceases to amaze me how you come up with some of things that you claim that I believe or you claim that I have said. I mean the degree of inaccuracy is such that I wonder if I wrote the word &quot;red&quot; that you would claim that I had written &quot;blue&quot;.</p><p><br /></p><p><i>&quot;Why did I omit the only object ......&quot;</i>&nbsp; What ?? Paul there are a million objects I omitted, but my not including them in what I wrote doesn&#039;t mean anything and I fail to see how anyone could ever imagine that it does ! And no, I most definitely have never said that coin to coin friction is tantamount to wear. What I have said is that coin to coin friction <u>may</u> cause wear. In other words, it is a matter of degree Paul, plain and simple.</p><p><br /></p><p>Let me put it to you like this - does 2 coins coming into contact with each other mean that the 2 coins have wear on them ? No, it does not. Can 2 coins coming into contact with each other repeatedly over a period of time cause wear on the 2 coins ? Yes, it can.</p><p><br /></p><p>And no it doesn&#039;t matter if those coins happen to be in a mint sealed bag or if they are in a cashiers change drawer. Every coin ever minted comes into contact with another coin the very instant it leaves the presses and falls into the hopper that catches them. But that does not mean those coins have wear on them.</p><p><br /></p><p><i>&quot;I have already pointed out that what you believe is contradictory with respect to incomplete strike.&quot;</i> Again, what ? How in the world could you ever get that meaning out of anything I have ever said ??</p><p><br /></p><p>Earlier in the thread you made this comment - </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, that much is true. Unfortunately your next sentence is not true.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>An incomplete strike does not look exactly like wear. But they do have a couple things in common, both are a different color than the surrounding areas of the coin, and both have no luster. </p><p><br /></p><p>But I have also explained on this forum more times than I can count that an incomplete strike can be differentiated from wear. All that is necessary to do that is for one to know how to do it. An area of a coin with an incomplete strike will be a different color than the surrounding areas of the coin, but it will also be a different color than wear will be. The weakly struck area will be darker than the surrounding areas, and wear will be even darker than the weakly struck area. Granted, differentiating shades of color can be difficult, but it can be done. But there is another difference between wear and an incomplete strike that is not difficult to detect, not for anybody. Wear will show as being <u>smooth and flat</u>, a weakly struck area <u>will have texture and be slightly rough and bumpy.</u></p><p><u><br /></u></p><p><u><br /></u></p><p>But lets ignore that example and concentrate on another of YOUR CONTRADICTIONS.&nbsp; I have heard you talk of luster grazes on Morgan Dollars hundreds of times on this forum.&nbsp; I have never seen you claim that a Morgan Dollar with luster grazes is AU, why not?</p><p><br /></p><p>Another example of you claiming something to be true that is absolutely not true. There is nothing contradictory in anything I have ever said about that subject. Why is not contradictory ? <u>Because bag marks do not constitute wear</u>. What you are calling luster grazes I refer to as frost breaks, and I have referred to them as frost breaks since long before CT even existed, let alone since you have joined this forum. And yes those frost breaks are caused by coins coming into contact with one another. They can occur when a coin comes out of the presses and falls into the hopper. They can occur when coins are bagged, and they can occur within the bag. But they do not constitute wear. Why not ? Because they look completely different than wear, wear is smooth and flat as I explained above. Frost breaks are not. And not all coins even have frost, so frost breaks don&#039;t even occur on all coins because rather obviously they cannot if there is no frost. Frost breaks are nothing more than bag marks, but they are a different type of bag mark than what we normally think of when we say bag mark. Usually people refer to hits and dings, actual depressions in the metal, as bag marks. But frost breaks are not depressions in the metal, instead they are grazes, scuffs, across the top of the metal that disturbs the frost. Not wear.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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