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Message:: [QUOTE="JPeace$, post: 2094478, member: 42727"]Thanks [USER=112]@GDJMSP[/USER].  I'm not looking for an argument.  I was looking for your opinion. A gold coin is still softer than a copper one and certainly softer than a silver coin, even though technically they are alloys, most people refer to them as gold, copper and silver.  IMO, it's a difficult topic (high point wear on gold coins) because they were easily prone to this wear, yet it's almost impossible to prove where that wear came from.  Are the TPG's current grading standards designed to separate more finely the myriad number of coin conditions that exist in the marketplace?  Wouldn't the number of AU58 coins be extremely large?  So what percentage of say, $20 double eagles, could be considered MS, even with a slight amount of wear due to their minting process and storage process?  IMO, it's impossible to tell.  We do know that many double eagles were not circulated in normal commerce, yet were circulated in the sense they were used for commerce between countries.  Even though they might have only been removed from the bags, counted by bankers and then replaced in the bags, technically, the coin was circulated. I did read your post in the other thread. Now let's talk about your pocket change experiment.  The ANA Grading Standards say "Absolutely No Trace of Wear".  So once that coin hits your pocket and rubs against another coin, it has wear, thus it's AU or worse, depending on how long, etc... BTW, I used "very soft", not "so soft".  It's a relative term used in my mind as a comparison to other metal alloys used in our coinage.[/QUOTE]

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