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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2094446, member: 112"]Not at all. As I said - </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So what would you grade that coin ? And if gold is "so soft" then why did it take 7 years, 7 days a week, of continuous wear, for it to get to that point ? </p><p><br /></p><p>Yes gold is soft, but US gold coins were made with the alloy they were made with to make them hard and to resist wear. That's why it took 7 years to get that coin that way. </p><p><br /></p><p>Ever see a guy in the movies bite a gold coin to see if it was genuine ? I think everybody has. Know why people would bite a gold coin ? Most think it was because the gold was soft therefore it would show teeth marks. Well that isn't the reason at all. They would bite gold coins to make sure they were hard. If the coin was genuine there would be no teeth marks. If there were teeth marks then the coin was a fake. So gold coins are not as soft as people seem to think.</p><p><br /></p><p>But are they soft enough to show high point wear from just a little contact ? You bet they are. But so are copper and silver coins. And it doesn't have anything to do with the metal they are made of, it has to do with the fragility of luster on an MS coin. It takes very little to break the luster on an MS coin and create wear on that coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>You know what's wrong with the PCGS "rule" regarding high point wear ? Here's a quote for ya direct from their book - </p><p><br /></p><p><i>"Though a coin may have slight "friction" on its highest points, it <u>may</u> never have been in circulation, so technically speaking it is uncirculated."</i></p><p><br /></p><p><i>"Coins of older types are allowed more friction than are modern types."</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Know how they define AU58 ?</p><p><br /></p><p><i>"There will be slight wear on the highest points of the coin.In some cases 5x magnification will be needed to notice this wear."</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Hmmmm - sounds to me like MS and AU are the same thing. Oh wait, they are in their eyes <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>In another thread somebody wanted to know if this same discussion was me wanting to argue semantics. Well it sure seems to me that "semantics" is exactly what PCGS is using.</p><p><br /></p><p>And yeah, I underlined "may" above for that is another point. In other words just that <u><b>chance</b></u> that the wear <u><b>may be</b></u> from from something other than the coin being used in commerce, then that wear doesn't count.</p><p><br /></p><p>And yeah, to me, that is a ridiculous idea.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2094446, member: 112"]Not at all. As I said - So what would you grade that coin ? And if gold is "so soft" then why did it take 7 years, 7 days a week, of continuous wear, for it to get to that point ? Yes gold is soft, but US gold coins were made with the alloy they were made with to make them hard and to resist wear. That's why it took 7 years to get that coin that way. Ever see a guy in the movies bite a gold coin to see if it was genuine ? I think everybody has. Know why people would bite a gold coin ? Most think it was because the gold was soft therefore it would show teeth marks. Well that isn't the reason at all. They would bite gold coins to make sure they were hard. If the coin was genuine there would be no teeth marks. If there were teeth marks then the coin was a fake. So gold coins are not as soft as people seem to think. But are they soft enough to show high point wear from just a little contact ? You bet they are. But so are copper and silver coins. And it doesn't have anything to do with the metal they are made of, it has to do with the fragility of luster on an MS coin. It takes very little to break the luster on an MS coin and create wear on that coin. You know what's wrong with the PCGS "rule" regarding high point wear ? Here's a quote for ya direct from their book - [I]"Though a coin may have slight "friction" on its highest points, it [U]may[/U] never have been in circulation, so technically speaking it is uncirculated."[/I] [I]"Coins of older types are allowed more friction than are modern types."[/I] Know how they define AU58 ? [I]"There will be slight wear on the highest points of the coin.In some cases 5x magnification will be needed to notice this wear."[/I] Hmmmm - sounds to me like MS and AU are the same thing. Oh wait, they are in their eyes :rolleyes: In another thread somebody wanted to know if this same discussion was me wanting to argue semantics. Well it sure seems to me that "semantics" is exactly what PCGS is using. And yeah, I underlined "may" above for that is another point. In other words just that [U][B]chance[/B][/U] that the wear [U][B]may be[/B][/U] from from something other than the coin being used in commerce, then that wear doesn't count. And yeah, to me, that is a ridiculous idea.[/QUOTE]
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