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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2093916, member: 112"]The thing about theories is, some of them are true. Yes, you can go to a grocery store and get a coin out of the cash drawer, send that coin into NGC or PCGS, and that coin can be graded as MS.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now there is no doubt that coin was actually in circulation, you saw it as such with your own eyes. But yet that coin is still graded as MS by the TPG.</p><p><br /></p><p>By the same token, there are coins that have most definitely never been in actual circulation, never saw the inside of any cash drawer, were never in any bank. But yet the coin is absolutely and without question worn. Want to see a picture of one ?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]392654[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]392656[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Technically that coin has never seen or been in circulation. But yet the wear is undeniable. Why ? Because I personally carried it around in my pocket every day, with a minimum of 4 quarters, and often other change besides, and a pocketknife - all in the same pocket - for a period of over 7 years.</p><p><br /></p><p>And yet look at the coin. It is not covered with hits and dings, there are no scratches, there is just honest wear. And yes, it is a coin that is made of exactly the same metal alloy that other US gold coins, collectible coins, are made of. I even used to use that coin as my "coin flip" coin. In other words, if a choice was to be made and somebody said flip a coin, that was the coin that was pulled out and flipped. The slapped down the table, or even allowed to hit the floor. And yes, there are people who are members of this forum who were there to see that happen with own eyes. And yet look at the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>To use your words - an outlier - most definitely. But there it is. And as they say if there are no pictures it didn't happen. Well, you got the pictures.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now does this prove anything ? Of course not, except for one thing. That coin was technically never in circulation - it was never used in commerce. But to say it therefore does not have any wear is utterly ridiculous of course. Just as the idea that PCGS puts forth that unless a coin is used in circulation then any wear on the coin is not wear at all is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2093916, member: 112"]The thing about theories is, some of them are true. Yes, you can go to a grocery store and get a coin out of the cash drawer, send that coin into NGC or PCGS, and that coin can be graded as MS. Now there is no doubt that coin was actually in circulation, you saw it as such with your own eyes. But yet that coin is still graded as MS by the TPG. By the same token, there are coins that have most definitely never been in actual circulation, never saw the inside of any cash drawer, were never in any bank. But yet the coin is absolutely and without question worn. Want to see a picture of one ? [ATTACH=full]392654[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]392656[/ATTACH] Technically that coin has never seen or been in circulation. But yet the wear is undeniable. Why ? Because I personally carried it around in my pocket every day, with a minimum of 4 quarters, and often other change besides, and a pocketknife - all in the same pocket - for a period of over 7 years. And yet look at the coin. It is not covered with hits and dings, there are no scratches, there is just honest wear. And yes, it is a coin that is made of exactly the same metal alloy that other US gold coins, collectible coins, are made of. I even used to use that coin as my "coin flip" coin. In other words, if a choice was to be made and somebody said flip a coin, that was the coin that was pulled out and flipped. The slapped down the table, or even allowed to hit the floor. And yes, there are people who are members of this forum who were there to see that happen with own eyes. And yet look at the coin. To use your words - an outlier - most definitely. But there it is. And as they say if there are no pictures it didn't happen. Well, you got the pictures. Now does this prove anything ? Of course not, except for one thing. That coin was technically never in circulation - it was never used in commerce. But to say it therefore does not have any wear is utterly ridiculous of course. Just as the idea that PCGS puts forth that unless a coin is used in circulation then any wear on the coin is not wear at all is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
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