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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 1544055, member: 112&quot;]I don&#039;t know how you got that out of what I said. It is most definitely not my meaning.</p><p><br /></p><p>As I have said countless times, even a coin that you get from the grocery store in change - (and it has to agreed by everybody that any such coin that you get in change is most definitely a coin that is in actual circulation, I mean nobody can argue that point) - can be graded, and correctly so, as MS. As long as that coin has no wear on it.</p><p><br /></p><p>In other words it does not matter where you get a coin or how you get a coin, if that coin has no wear on it, then that coin is MS, period, end of story. That is the very definition of an MS coin - a coin that has no wear. The ANA uses that definition, the TPGs use that definition, every numismatic book or article that you can find uses that definition. Because that IS the definition. And it always has been.</p><p><br /></p><p>The entire point that I always try to make in these discussions is very simple. It is that the trouble begins when the TPGs start to make excuses. When they say - oh that&#039;s not really wear because it was caused by this or caused by that - then we have a problem. And we have a problem because there is no way to prove that that wear was indeed caused by this or caused by that. Except in very, very, few instances where the provenance of a given coin is known back to its creation.</p><p><br /></p><p>Because once you accept that excuse as being valid, then any coin, I repeat any coin, every coin even, that has wear on it can be accepted as being MS. And that throws the very definition of MS right out the window. And I will repeat, it is the definition that is agreed upon by everybody.</p><p><br /></p><p>Accepting that excuse as being valid allows the TPGs to pick and choose at their whim what coins they will call MS and what coins they will not. I don&#039;t know about the rest of you, but to me that is a HUGE problem.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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