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<p>[QUOTE="Leadfoot, post: 1540459, member: 2972"]Every single TPG-graded MS St. Gaudens I've ever seen has some high point wear. Every single one. Will someone suggest I've not seen thousands of them in-hand?</p><p><br /></p><p>Geting past that, it is not fair to compare the ANA and PCGS standards. They are vastly different in theory (technical versus market grading) and specifically with respect to AU and MS coins. The only way I can describe the distinction that PCGS uses is NOT high point wear, but rather field luster wear, as the distinguishing feature between AU and MS coins. PCGS is not consistent with respect to their written descriptions, and I know some point to that as a shortcoming of their standards, but that doesn't mean they aren't consistent in practice, which, frankly, is far more important.</p><p><br /></p><p>Lastly, I will leave you all with this question: If the ANA standards are so much better, why does practically nobody use them any more?</p><p><br /></p><p>Respectfully...Mike</p><p><br /></p><p>p.s. Paul & G, Please stop with the personal attacks and remain on topic. This is an important topic that would be that much better if you all would put your personal differences aside. You are both very knowledgeable numismatists who happen to disagree -- can't you disagree without the personal attacks? Thanks for your consideration.</p><p><br /></p><p>p.s.s. The first coin Paul posted above appears to be a 65 or 66, the second coin looks like a 63 or 58 to my eye.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Leadfoot, post: 1540459, member: 2972"]Every single TPG-graded MS St. Gaudens I've ever seen has some high point wear. Every single one. Will someone suggest I've not seen thousands of them in-hand? Geting past that, it is not fair to compare the ANA and PCGS standards. They are vastly different in theory (technical versus market grading) and specifically with respect to AU and MS coins. The only way I can describe the distinction that PCGS uses is NOT high point wear, but rather field luster wear, as the distinguishing feature between AU and MS coins. PCGS is not consistent with respect to their written descriptions, and I know some point to that as a shortcoming of their standards, but that doesn't mean they aren't consistent in practice, which, frankly, is far more important. Lastly, I will leave you all with this question: If the ANA standards are so much better, why does practically nobody use them any more? Respectfully...Mike p.s. Paul & G, Please stop with the personal attacks and remain on topic. This is an important topic that would be that much better if you all would put your personal differences aside. You are both very knowledgeable numismatists who happen to disagree -- can't you disagree without the personal attacks? Thanks for your consideration. p.s.s. The first coin Paul posted above appears to be a 65 or 66, the second coin looks like a 63 or 58 to my eye.[/QUOTE]
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