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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1540450, member: 15309"]Really? You are a moderator, why don't you go snooping through my PM's to see how many members of this forum have expressed exactly that sentiment. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I ask you a very simple question, but yet again you refuse to answer it. I have the first edition of the book and what you are seeing on page 47 is not on page 47 in my book. What Chapter and section is this from so I can see the entire section?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I am sure that if we searched long enough, we could find examples of some Saints that do not show any wear. And while you think that is the point, it isn't. The point is that an overwhelming number of MS Saints do show high point wear. </p><p><br /></p><p>Again, my experience with this series is not relevant. But your credibility is relevant. You haven't owned a coin in the last 5+ years but you profess to know everything about every numismatic topic that exists. In all my time on this forum you have never claimed to have collected Saints. IIRC you used to collect gold Ducats. Yet now you claim that while attending these coin shows and going to dealer shops that you spent your time looking at tens of thousands of Saints and have personally seen many Saints without high point wear. Yet the most respected grading service in Numismatics has actually published a book that states otherwise. What Godly reason do any of us have to believe you over PCGS. Your reason why the members of this forum should believe you rather than me is because you are more experienced. Applying that same principle to you and PCGS, we should believe PCGS since they have far more experience in every aspect of numismatics than you do.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So what! You just spent all that time proving something that PCGS and I readily admit: you can't definitively determine the source of the wear. Here is a quote of what I said in post #67 in this thread.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>All we can do when grading these coins is make our best guess as to the origination of the wear. Your attitude is that wear is wear and every coin should be deemed AU. My response to that throughout this thread has always been the same. Yet you absolutely refuse to respond to it. Why? What do you have to hide? One more chance:</p><p><br /></p><p>If this coin is AU:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Roll%20Friction/Saint1908PCGS_zps2ada6cd2.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Roll%20Friction/Saint1908PCGSleg_zps9c4ddf49.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>then what is this coin?</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Roll%20Friction/Saint1908NGC.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Roll%20Friction/Saint1908NGcleg.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Well you are right about that, I am also a just a guy on a coin forum. But I am not the one who claims to know everything about every numismatic topic. You are a legend in your own mind and you think that no matter what your opinion is that any deviation from that opinion is wrong. And it makes no difference who disagrees with you. It could be David Hall, Laura Sperber, John Albanese, or any other respected member of the numismatic community, you would still maintain that you are right and they are wrong even though their experience far outweighs yours. Yet you indict me for my level of experience despite the fact that my opinion is often be the same as those numismatists who are far more experienced than you.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have been collecting coins since I was a kid and have been seriously collecting coins since the late 90's including but no limited to Mercury Dimes, Roosevelt Dimes, Franklin Half Dollars, Barber Quarters, Standing Liberty Quarters, Rainbow Toned Morgan Dollars, Peace Dollars, and of course Jefferson Nickels. I have seen thousands of coins in hand and photographed and studied many of those coins for hours. But you would have us believe that flipping through coins at a show or dealer case and viewing it for a few seconds is a much more valuable experience. I will readily admit that you have seen more coins than me but based on the ridiculous things that you post on this forum, it seems that you have learned very little from your experience over the years.</p><p><br /></p><p>So to answer your question, YOU ARE THE ONE BLOWING SMOKE![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1540450, member: 15309"]Really? You are a moderator, why don't you go snooping through my PM's to see how many members of this forum have expressed exactly that sentiment. I ask you a very simple question, but yet again you refuse to answer it. I have the first edition of the book and what you are seeing on page 47 is not on page 47 in my book. What Chapter and section is this from so I can see the entire section? I am sure that if we searched long enough, we could find examples of some Saints that do not show any wear. And while you think that is the point, it isn't. The point is that an overwhelming number of MS Saints do show high point wear. Again, my experience with this series is not relevant. But your credibility is relevant. You haven't owned a coin in the last 5+ years but you profess to know everything about every numismatic topic that exists. In all my time on this forum you have never claimed to have collected Saints. IIRC you used to collect gold Ducats. Yet now you claim that while attending these coin shows and going to dealer shops that you spent your time looking at tens of thousands of Saints and have personally seen many Saints without high point wear. Yet the most respected grading service in Numismatics has actually published a book that states otherwise. What Godly reason do any of us have to believe you over PCGS. Your reason why the members of this forum should believe you rather than me is because you are more experienced. Applying that same principle to you and PCGS, we should believe PCGS since they have far more experience in every aspect of numismatics than you do. So what! You just spent all that time proving something that PCGS and I readily admit: you can't definitively determine the source of the wear. Here is a quote of what I said in post #67 in this thread. All we can do when grading these coins is make our best guess as to the origination of the wear. Your attitude is that wear is wear and every coin should be deemed AU. My response to that throughout this thread has always been the same. Yet you absolutely refuse to respond to it. Why? What do you have to hide? One more chance: If this coin is AU: [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Roll%20Friction/Saint1908PCGS_zps2ada6cd2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Roll%20Friction/Saint1908PCGSleg_zps9c4ddf49.jpg[/IMG] then what is this coin? [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Roll%20Friction/Saint1908NGC.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Roll%20Friction/Saint1908NGcleg.jpg[/IMG] Well you are right about that, I am also a just a guy on a coin forum. But I am not the one who claims to know everything about every numismatic topic. You are a legend in your own mind and you think that no matter what your opinion is that any deviation from that opinion is wrong. And it makes no difference who disagrees with you. It could be David Hall, Laura Sperber, John Albanese, or any other respected member of the numismatic community, you would still maintain that you are right and they are wrong even though their experience far outweighs yours. Yet you indict me for my level of experience despite the fact that my opinion is often be the same as those numismatists who are far more experienced than you. I have been collecting coins since I was a kid and have been seriously collecting coins since the late 90's including but no limited to Mercury Dimes, Roosevelt Dimes, Franklin Half Dollars, Barber Quarters, Standing Liberty Quarters, Rainbow Toned Morgan Dollars, Peace Dollars, and of course Jefferson Nickels. I have seen thousands of coins in hand and photographed and studied many of those coins for hours. But you would have us believe that flipping through coins at a show or dealer case and viewing it for a few seconds is a much more valuable experience. I will readily admit that you have seen more coins than me but based on the ridiculous things that you post on this forum, it seems that you have learned very little from your experience over the years. So to answer your question, YOU ARE THE ONE BLOWING SMOKE![/QUOTE]
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