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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 1539238, member: 15309&quot;]IMO, that is very short sighted.&nbsp; Applying one standard simply doesn&#039;t work.&nbsp; I don&#039;t want to see every Saint graded AU, it isn&#039;t right.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>What is your point?&nbsp; My point is that PCGS references the ANA standards in that article in 1995 because they didn&#039;t publish their standards in THE PCGS OFFICIAL GUIDE TO COIN GRADING AND COUNTERFEIT DETECTION until 1997.&nbsp; My copy of that book is a first edition.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>They will never be able to be 100% accurate when deeming high point wear roll friction as opposed to circulation wear and you know it.&nbsp; This is where we really disagree.&nbsp; Because they can&#039;t be 100% sure, you are uncomfortable with them calling the coin MS.&nbsp; I on the other hand am willing to accept the fact that some circulated coins will end up in MS holders in order to ensure that there are degrees of separation for the actual MS coins that do indeed exhibit roll friction.&nbsp; Having said that, the TPG graders can&#039;t be 100% sure that toning is NT or AT, yet we still trust them to make such a determination.&nbsp; The result is that some AT coins end up in holders, some NT coins get bagged, and the majority of coins get graded correctly using the concept of market acceptability.&nbsp; If we applied your hard lined method, any coin with toning would need to be deemed AT to ensure that an AT coin never ended up in a problem free holder.</p><p><br /></p><p>What you and Doug need to realize is that this is not an issue of right or wrong.&nbsp; Grading is subjective.&nbsp; Not allowing for subjectivity and creating strict rules will only lead to the necessary creation of exceptions to those rules.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Unlike Doug, I am not about to bash you for inexperience with the series.&nbsp; This is a philosophical discussion about an aspect of coin grading that doesn&#039;t require expertise in the series.&nbsp; We don&#039;t need to be Saint Gaudens experts to understand that almost all of them show luster breaks on the knee and breast, including the uncirculated examples.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don&#039;t agree with your last sentence.&nbsp; How can you apply the same standards to coinage of different alloys.&nbsp; Gold is markedly softer than silver and can&#039;t be graded using the same standard, IMO.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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