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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1536772, member: 112"]Yeah, but you know why I don't subscribe ? Because anybody can claim that any light wear, even wear from circulation, is cabinet or roll friction and then use that as an excuse to grade the coin as MS when it simply is not. PCGS states that any coin with light wear can be graded as high as MS67. But they supposedly will not grade any coin with light wear MS68 or above.</p><p><br /></p><p>Well, what happened to that wear ? Did it magically change ? No, it didn't change at all. It still came from the very same cause. If it is reason to prevent a coin from being graded 68 or higher then it is reason to prevent the coin from being graded MS anything.</p><p><br /></p><p>The theory and practice exists for one reason only, so collectors can claim that they own MS coins that are not MS at all. It is PCGS's way of throwing a bone to collectors so they can feel better about themselves and their AU coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>That's the problem with the theory. With very, very, few coins can it ever be known for certain or proven that the light wear on the coin came from cabinet friction. And that is where the theory originated to begin with. From specific coins that were documented and known to have been purchased directly from the mint by a specific person and then stored by that person in his coin cabinet. Usually for very long time.</p><p><br /></p><p>But wear is wear, no matter how it got there. And if a coin has wear then it is not mint state. That theory is like saying that somebody is only a little bit pregnant.</p><p><br /></p><p>Nobody with any common sense should subscribe to that theory.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1536772, member: 112"]Yeah, but you know why I don't subscribe ? Because anybody can claim that any light wear, even wear from circulation, is cabinet or roll friction and then use that as an excuse to grade the coin as MS when it simply is not. PCGS states that any coin with light wear can be graded as high as MS67. But they supposedly will not grade any coin with light wear MS68 or above. Well, what happened to that wear ? Did it magically change ? No, it didn't change at all. It still came from the very same cause. If it is reason to prevent a coin from being graded 68 or higher then it is reason to prevent the coin from being graded MS anything. The theory and practice exists for one reason only, so collectors can claim that they own MS coins that are not MS at all. It is PCGS's way of throwing a bone to collectors so they can feel better about themselves and their AU coins. That's the problem with the theory. With very, very, few coins can it ever be known for certain or proven that the light wear on the coin came from cabinet friction. And that is where the theory originated to begin with. From specific coins that were documented and known to have been purchased directly from the mint by a specific person and then stored by that person in his coin cabinet. Usually for very long time. But wear is wear, no matter how it got there. And if a coin has wear then it is not mint state. That theory is like saying that somebody is only a little bit pregnant. Nobody with any common sense should subscribe to that theory.[/QUOTE]
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