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<p>[QUOTE="BooksB4Coins, post: 2313621, member: 36230"]With all due respect, sir; you haven't "<i>quashed</i>" anything. The above is no more than an assumption that, perhaps, gives far too much credit to the "<i>numismatically</i>" ignorant. Common sense may dictate that research is the logical first step for anyone thinking they may have found a "rare" and/or highly "valuable" coin, but it is, unfortunately, not always the reality. One needs to look no further than eBay for proof that even people capable of using a computer are sometimes too lazy and/or stupid to do so.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, if one Googles "<i>Dan Carr fantasy pieces</i>", you're right... the first hit is his website, but we both know this isn't what someone who just discovered one of his copies will search for. If we instead Google what an unfamiliar individual most likely would - "1964-D Peace Dollar" or "1964 -D Dollar" - fantasy information is not "first" but fifth. This, however, may be giving too much credit to such an individual, so let's try the even more obvious and likely "1964 Dollar". Again, not first, but we'll down the page at eighth, and we'll after PCGS' "<i>$10,000 REWARD</i>" page which is second. If just "1964 Dollar" it doesn't show until the last result on the <i>second</i> page. Do you really think that every single person, if ever in such a situation, would make it past the first few sites, especially if they desperately want to believe they've hit the jackpot? Let's forget about the real world for a moment, and think only of what we've seen on this very forum in regards to people ignoring reality in favor of holding onto that big money dream. Between this and the earlier eBay example, the only thing that rightfully should be "quashed" is the belief and /or argument that no one could ever be fooled by his copies, regardless of Mr. Carr's efforts to put the identifiers out there. It only takes one idiot for a possibility to become a reality, and no matter how ridiculously foolish it may seem to us, there are such people out there. We can say all we want that no one is stupid enough to drop any sizable amount of money on a coin without being certain of its authenticity, but the fact is that it does happen. I personally have known more than one over the years who has made unfathomably dumb moves, flushing a fairly substantial amount of money down the toilet, in the name of getting that almighty deal and dreams of easily padding their wallets. It <i>does</i> happen.</p><p><br /></p><p>Not only do we, as people who care about this hobby, now have Mr. Carr's physical copies to deal with, but also an excellent example of a potentially profitable endeavor, especially considering the modern technology used to produce such things, and the prices they seem to bring. Sooner or later it shouldn't be a surprise to see some enterprising individual with the capabilities, perhaps from overseas, follow his lead, especially if silver stays low, but only on a larger scale (and/or willing to produce known dates as well). The man's own website even shows copies of his copies, so this isn't far fetched. You stated your belief that prices for his copies will increase in the future, which should indicate there could be an even greater draw than there is today to follow his lead. If a quality product was offered at a fraction of the price, they'll have a wider audience and are going to sell, perhaps not to diehards, Carr or not. The copies also set a fine, fine example of what can be accomplished with modern technology, especially if in the "<i>wrong</i>" hands, yet rarely, if ever, is this discussed. His copies, if nothing else, should strike absolute <i>fear</i> into any collector without an <i>in depth</i> knowledge of their collecting area; if he can do it, so can someone else with less noble intentions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Once the cat is out of the bag, there's simply no going back.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="BooksB4Coins, post: 2313621, member: 36230"]With all due respect, sir; you haven't "[I]quashed[/I]" anything. The above is no more than an assumption that, perhaps, gives far too much credit to the "[I]numismatically[/I]" ignorant. Common sense may dictate that research is the logical first step for anyone thinking they may have found a "rare" and/or highly "valuable" coin, but it is, unfortunately, not always the reality. One needs to look no further than eBay for proof that even people capable of using a computer are sometimes too lazy and/or stupid to do so. Now, if one Googles "[I]Dan Carr fantasy pieces[/I]", you're right... the first hit is his website, but we both know this isn't what someone who just discovered one of his copies will search for. If we instead Google what an unfamiliar individual most likely would - "1964-D Peace Dollar" or "1964 -D Dollar" - fantasy information is not "first" but fifth. This, however, may be giving too much credit to such an individual, so let's try the even more obvious and likely "1964 Dollar". Again, not first, but we'll down the page at eighth, and we'll after PCGS' "[I]$10,000 REWARD[/I]" page which is second. If just "1964 Dollar" it doesn't show until the last result on the [I]second[/I] page. Do you really think that every single person, if ever in such a situation, would make it past the first few sites, especially if they desperately want to believe they've hit the jackpot? Let's forget about the real world for a moment, and think only of what we've seen on this very forum in regards to people ignoring reality in favor of holding onto that big money dream. Between this and the earlier eBay example, the only thing that rightfully should be "quashed" is the belief and /or argument that no one could ever be fooled by his copies, regardless of Mr. Carr's efforts to put the identifiers out there. It only takes one idiot for a possibility to become a reality, and no matter how ridiculously foolish it may seem to us, there are such people out there. We can say all we want that no one is stupid enough to drop any sizable amount of money on a coin without being certain of its authenticity, but the fact is that it does happen. I personally have known more than one over the years who has made unfathomably dumb moves, flushing a fairly substantial amount of money down the toilet, in the name of getting that almighty deal and dreams of easily padding their wallets. It [I]does[/I] happen. Not only do we, as people who care about this hobby, now have Mr. Carr's physical copies to deal with, but also an excellent example of a potentially profitable endeavor, especially considering the modern technology used to produce such things, and the prices they seem to bring. Sooner or later it shouldn't be a surprise to see some enterprising individual with the capabilities, perhaps from overseas, follow his lead, especially if silver stays low, but only on a larger scale (and/or willing to produce known dates as well). The man's own website even shows copies of his copies, so this isn't far fetched. You stated your belief that prices for his copies will increase in the future, which should indicate there could be an even greater draw than there is today to follow his lead. If a quality product was offered at a fraction of the price, they'll have a wider audience and are going to sell, perhaps not to diehards, Carr or not. The copies also set a fine, fine example of what can be accomplished with modern technology, especially if in the "[I]wrong[/I]" hands, yet rarely, if ever, is this discussed. His copies, if nothing else, should strike absolute [I]fear[/I] into any collector without an [I]in depth[/I] knowledge of their collecting area; if he can do it, so can someone else with less noble intentions. Once the cat is out of the bag, there's simply no going back.[/QUOTE]
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