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<p>[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 8286468, member: 84744"]Just to add to [USER=26430]@Curtis[/USER]'s explanations for how obv. and rev. can differ in the relevant way, die wear can be very different (they were replaced at different times - this is what's going on with Curtis's tet I'd say), and burial conditions can involve very different conditions for obv and rev. With the Bithynian temple coin this thread is about, I'd bet both are involved, as well as strike.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I don't think Warren's saying that at all, [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER]! I think he's just saying that smoothing and unintentional scratches (from cleaning) shouldn't automatically be seen as major problems, and one shouldn't lose sight of all the other relevant features of a coin. He knows you appreciate those other features (style, history, type, strike, die state, etc.) very much. And if you have a thing against smoothing, that's also OK of course! To each his/her own. The "average" serious collector, though, doesn't see non-excessive smoothing on bronze as a major defect.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think we'd all agree that IF this coin has received significant tooling, that's a very bad thing. But there's a difference of opinion on that question. It's important to separate that issue from the general issue of whether tooling is a bad thing. I think we'd all agree that it is.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do think you're making a mistake if you equate intentional tooling with smoothing, esp. field smoothing. The first detracts from a coin vastly more than the second IMO. (Again, though, to each his/her own!) That's not to say I haven't rejected coins for what I saw as excessive smoothing. I've sent coins back to Frank Robinson for this reason. (His photos often don't show it.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 8286468, member: 84744"]Just to add to [USER=26430]@Curtis[/USER]'s explanations for how obv. and rev. can differ in the relevant way, die wear can be very different (they were replaced at different times - this is what's going on with Curtis's tet I'd say), and burial conditions can involve very different conditions for obv and rev. With the Bithynian temple coin this thread is about, I'd bet both are involved, as well as strike. I don't think Warren's saying that at all, [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER]! I think he's just saying that smoothing and unintentional scratches (from cleaning) shouldn't automatically be seen as major problems, and one shouldn't lose sight of all the other relevant features of a coin. He knows you appreciate those other features (style, history, type, strike, die state, etc.) very much. And if you have a thing against smoothing, that's also OK of course! To each his/her own. The "average" serious collector, though, doesn't see non-excessive smoothing on bronze as a major defect. I think we'd all agree that IF this coin has received significant tooling, that's a very bad thing. But there's a difference of opinion on that question. It's important to separate that issue from the general issue of whether tooling is a bad thing. I think we'd all agree that it is. I do think you're making a mistake if you equate intentional tooling with smoothing, esp. field smoothing. The first detracts from a coin vastly more than the second IMO. (Again, though, to each his/her own!) That's not to say I haven't rejected coins for what I saw as excessive smoothing. I've sent coins back to Frank Robinson for this reason. (His photos often don't show it.)[/QUOTE]
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