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  1. Roman Collector

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    Gallienus and Salonina had two sons depicted on coinage -- Valerian II and Saloninus. Let's see your coins of these two boys!

    The year their eldest son, Valerian II (P Cornelius Licinius Valerianus), was born is not known with certainty; a date of AD 240 is a reasonable guess. Perhaps at the instigation of his grandfather, Valerian I, the younger Valerian was accorded the title Caesar shortly after Gallienus' elevation to the role of joint emperor with Valerian I, probably some time in AD 255 and no later than AD 256.

    Valerian I and Gallienus soon issued coins in the boy's name with the idea of establishing an imperial dynasty extending to a third generation, something not seen in the Roman world since Commodus wore the purple. The most obvious allusion to this is the reverse type IOVI CRESCENTI ("the growing Jupiter"), which depicts Valerian II as the infant Jupiter riding on the back of the goat Amalthea.

    The younger Valerian would have been a teenager -- 15 or 16 -- at the time he first appeared on coinage. He is depicted as a youth, typically beardless, though sometimes he is depicted with stubble-like sideburns or a faint beard along the jaw line. Interestingly, he sometimes is depicted with a long lock of hair falling behind his ear. Vagi notes that some have speculated this may have been intended to equate him with the Egyptian god, Horus, and thus with the renewal of time.

    Unfortunately the young Caesar was murdered some time around AD 257, possibly at the hands of his protector, Ingenuus. After his death, there followed a series of commemorative issues with obverse legends reading DIVO VALERIANO CAES and reverse legends CONSECRATIO and depicting and eagle, a funeral pyre, or an altar.

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    Valerian II, Caesar AD 256-258.
    Roman billon antoninianus, 3.14 g, 22.5 mm, 5 h.
    Cologne, AD 257-258.
    Obv: VALERIANVS CAES, radiate and draped bust, right.
    Rev: IOVI CRESCENTI, infant Jupiter seated facing on goat standing right, his right hand raised.
    Refs: RIC 3; Göbl 907e; Cohen 26; RCV 10731; Hunter 9.

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    Gallienus's younger son, Saloninus (P Licinius Cornelius Saloninus Valerianus), was born around the year 242. After Valerian II's death in AD 258, Gallienus raised Saloninus to the rank of Caesar. Again, this may have been at the instigation of Valerian I. Gallienus and Valerian similarly issued coins in his name until AD 260, when Saloninus perished in the revolt of Postumus in Gaul, having been raised to the rank of Augustus only a few weeks previously, at the age of 17.

    Coins issued for Saloninus as Augustus are extremely rare, with perhaps fewer than 20 specimens known. Posthumous commemorative coins are similarly rare, being limited to a single issue with the reverse legend CONSECRATIO but lacking the title DIVO in the obverse legend. Vagi speculates that Gallienus perhaps thought it unwise to advertise the crisis that had befallen the family in AD 260, for his father had been captured by the Persians and Saloninus had been executed under shameful circumstances.

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    Saloninus, Caesar AD 258-260.
    Roman billon antoninianus, 2.39 g, 22.2 mm, 12 h.
    Cologne, AD 258-260.
    Obv: SALON VALERIANVS CAES, radiate and draped bust, right.
    Rev: PIETAS AVG, lituus, jug, simpulum and sprinkler.
    Refs: RIC 9; Göbl 914e; Cohen 41; RCV 10767; Cunetio 744; Hunter 8.

    NOTE: Some of the types struck in the name of Valerian II have erroneously been assigned by the authors of older references to Saloninus. Such references, like Cohen, should be used cautiously. Inclusion of SAL or SALON in the inscription is a certain indicator that the coinage is of Saloninus and not Valerian II; similarly, without SAL or SALON, the coinage probably belongs to Valerian II.
     
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  3. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Nice examples!

    Mine sport somewhat older portraits which I imagine might have been closer to what they actually looked like.

    Valerian II antoninianus from Antioch, VICTORIA PART
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    Saloninus antoninianus from Rome(?) PRINCIPI IVVENT
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  4. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Redditor Lucis Aeternae

    I'm looking for a Saloninus and Valerian II with good silver, good strike, full flan, nicely executed reverse. So far what I have seen at auction and in fixed price sales hasn't really been overwhelming in terms of quality, so these two remain on my wish list.
     
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  5. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Nice examples! Roman Collector / Finn235:)
    I definately will try to get these guys in 2019, for my collection.
     
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  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Good silver and fairly heavy.

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    Valerian II (256 - 258 A.D.)
    AR Antoninianus
    O: VALERIANVS CAES, Radiate and draped bust right.
    R: IOVI CRESCENNI, Infant Jupiter seated facing on goat (Amalthea) standing right,his right hand raised.
    Colonia Agrippinensis (Cologne) mint
    4.34g
    23mm
    RIC 3 RSC 26

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    Saloninus (258 - 260 A.D.)
    AR Antoninianus
    O: SALON VALERIANVS CAES, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    R: PIETAS AVG, priestly implements - littus, knife, jug, simpulum, and sprinkler.
    Rome
    4.3g
    21.1mm
    RIC V 9, RSC IV 4
     
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  7. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    Very good examples !

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    Valerian II, Antoninianus - Rome mint, AD 258
    DIVO CAES VALERIANO, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Valerianus junior right
    CONSECRATIO, altar
    2.88 gr
    Ref : RCV # 10608, RIC # 24, RSC # 13


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    Saloninus, Antoninianus Cologne mint, AD 258-260
    SALON VALERIANVS CAES, radiate and draped bust right
    PIETAS AVG, sacrificial implements
    2.85 gr
    Ref : Cohen # 41, RCV # 10767


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    Saloninus, Middle bronze - Rome mint, AD 258-260
    LIC COR SAL VALERIANVS N CAES, draped bust right
    PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS, Saloninus standing left holding globe and spear. A captive at his feet. S - C in field Mintmark ? at exergue
    7.1 gr
    Ref : RCV # 10778 v, Cohen # 90, RIC # 34

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  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Redditor Lucis Aeternae

    Great coins @Cucumbor ! Those examples are among the best I've seen. I should add that I am specifically looking for a CONSECRATIO type.
     
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  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Fixed my Valerian II not showing up.
     
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  10. Jochen

    Jochen Well-Known Member

    My only Valerian II: RIC IV/1, 49; C. 67; Göbl 1694b. From the time where I want to have from each emperor a coin.
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  11. Pishpash

    Pishpash Mater dracones - spero Supporter

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    Valerian II (Caesar)
    Coin: AR Antoninianus
    VALERIANVS CAES - Radiate and draped bust right.
    IOVI CRESCENTI - the child Jupiter sitting right on the goat Amalthea, looking left, right hand raised, left hand holding the goat's horn.
    Mint: Cologne (256-258 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 4.17g / 22.17mm / -
    References:
    • RIC 3 (Lyons)
    • Cohen 26 (Saloninus)
    • Elmer 67a;
    • Goebl 0907e
    • Sear 10731.
    Provenances:
    • ex-Stevex6
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    Saloninus (Caesar)
    Coin: Silver Ant
    SAL VALERIANVS CAES - Radiate draped bust right
    PRINC IVVENT - Prince standing left holding baton and standard, one standard to right
    Mint: Lyons (258-260 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 3.80g / 24mm / -
    References:
    • RIC V1 10
    • Cohen 61
    • Sear5 10770
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Since the boys did not share the title Caesar at the same time, you are more likely to find Valerian II in somewhat miserable billon and Saloninus in silver washed format. The best silver period was before there were coins for Valerian II so a couple of the ones shown above are as good as I have seen. Finding a Saloninus better than Q's may be difficult.
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  14. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Divus Valerian II, died 258. Antoninianus. Consecration issue, struck under Gallienus, Rome, 258-260. Obv. DIVO CAES VALERIANO, Radiate and draped bust of Valerian II to right. Rev. CONSECRATIO, around lighted altar. RIC 24.
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    Saloninus (258-260). Antoninianus. Obv. LIC COR SAL VALERIANVS N CAES, radiate, draped bust right. Rev. PIETAS AVGG, Wand, simpulum, vase, knife, sprinkler. RIC 26.
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    Saloninus (258-260). Antoninianus, Rome. Obv. LIC COR SAL VALERIANVS N CAES, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right. Rev. PRINC IVVENT, prince standing left, holding ensign and sceptre or spear. RIC 27.
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    Saloninus (258-260). Antoninianus, Antioch. Obv. SALON VALERIANVS NOB CAES, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, Rev. SPES PVBLICA, Spes standing left, holding hem of skirt and presenting flower to prince, standing right in military attire, holding spear. RIC 36.
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  15. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Also worth noting is how many examples were struck with worn dies for the reverse, yet relatively decent dies for the obverse.
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    Valerian II
    Silver (Billon) Double Denarius
    Rome mint, A.D. 253-255
    Obv: P LIC VALERIANVS CAES
    Rev: IOVI CRESCENTI - Jupiter, as a child, riding, right, on goat
    RIC 13
    20x23 mm, 4.3g.
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    Saloninus
    Silver (Billon) Double Denarius
    Cologne mint
    Obv: SALON VALERIANVS CAES
    Rev: SPES PVBLICA - Spes, walking left, holding flower and raising skirt
    RIC 13, var.
    22x20mm, 2.2g.
     
  16. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Here is a fine style portrait of Valerian II on good silver, relatively sharp with intact eyes, a feature rarely seen on his and just about never on Saloninus´ coins:

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  17. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    The silver on my Saloninus has suffered in the ground.

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    I have a (19th Century?) uniface plaster cast of a medallic Sestertius of Saloninus. I do not know where the original is located.

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  18. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    The original of your cast is a silvered AE Medallion, Gnecchi 3. Reverse is PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS, Saloninus in military attire left with globe and spear, captive at feet. There are three originals known, yours is a cast of the one in Paris (41 mm / 60 gr).

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  19. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Many thanks. This was one of a few such plaster casts that I bought some years ago as a curio. It is good to be able to place at least one of them.

    It is nice to be able to update my records with this information.
     
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