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Message:: [QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1075165, member: 15309"]Doug, Do you think I argue with you just for the sake of arguing with you?  When you make a post that is incorrect, I feel compelled to point it out.  I think you need to recognize that what you just said in this post and what you said in your orignal post are completely different.  Compare the two statements.  Here is your original post:   Now compare that to your statement in your most recent post: You stated that before 2002, it would be hard to find a handful of collectors who were fans much less exclusive buyers of toned coins.  Now Doug, that statement is simply not true, and what's more, you know it. You have heard me speak about Appalachian toned Jefferson Nickels.  You should also be aware that these coins surfaced and were graded in late 2000.  This is a fact evidenced by their residence in generation 8 NGC holders that were only used for about 4 weeks in August to September 2000 according to Conder's research.  Here is an example. <img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Jefferson%20Nickels/JeffersonNickel1944-DNGCMS67TApp-6.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> You are also aware that these coins are widely considered to be AT.  My question to you is why would someone AT coins if there was no market and only a handful of collectors interested in the coins?  When the Appalachian Jeffersons hit the market, they were extremely hot and the MS67's sold for $250-$350 each according to TomB who was one of the original buyers from Andy Kimmel. In your most recent post, you stated that widespread interest in toned coins did not exist 10 years ago.  That is correct.  It was a niche market prior to the turn of the century and the advent of the internet in combination with advances in photographic technology cause the market to explode.  But to say that there was no market for toned coins prior to 2002 is inaccurate, irresponsible, and tantamount to "shooting from the hip" or "blowing smoke" and expecting your reputation to carry the statement. I find it ironic that you basically refer to David Hall as some kind of snake oil salesman.  The two of you are guilty of the same offenses.  You both "blow smoke" from time to time but that does not diminish yours (or his) knowledge of numismatics. Regarding the Bowers quote, I would appreciate if either you gave the full quote or provided a reference for where the quote was taken.  In other words, I think you are taking his words out of context. BTW Doug, Shane already provided you with a list of dealers and collectors who have been involved with rainbow toned coins for decades.  Perhaps you were so busy trying to prove yourself right, you forgot to read anything posted by someone else other than yourself.  But I guess we can add TomB and Andy Kimmel to the list.[/QUOTE]

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