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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 17442, member: 112"]Hmmmm - I kinda wondered when we'd get around to this subject. So OK - here goes my thoughts.</p><p><br /></p><p>First of all - toning, in some instances can indeed be harful to a coin. It can literally eat the surface right off the coin. Now this is not true in all cases and one needs to learn to differentiate one type of toning from another - the potentially harmful kind. </p><p><br /></p><p>I'll be the first to admit that I have not always found toning attractive. But over the years I did acquire a taste for it. And now - some toned coins I find absolutely drop dead gorgeous !! Others I find as ugly as a mud fence. As they say - beauty is in the eye of the beholder.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now toning comes in many shapes, colors and types. Some of it is very subltle while some is downright striking. But virtually every coin - and I do mean every coin - has a small of toning present. Quite often the untrained eye can't even see it. But any coin exposed to the air is going to tone - this is just a simple fact.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now when it to comes to grading companies agreeing to grade & slab a coin - don't ever fool yourself into thinking that toning plays no part or has no effect on the grade. Because it does - quite often it has large effect on the grade. Toning can impact the grade of a coin in several ways. It can cover up marks and deffects that would otherwise be obvious. It can also be misleading when trying to judge the quality of strike for a given coin. It can cover or accentuate luster. And most of all it can have a huge impact on eye appeal. Every single one of these things is very important when determining the grade of a coin. So it does have an effect.</p><p><br /></p><p>And there is something else about toned coins and grading companies - it DOES NOT always have to be natural for the coin to be graded and slabbed. And yes I include the big 4 in this statement - NGC - PCGS - ANACS & ICG. Don't believe me ? Well call 'em up and ask 'em folks. Just be sure to ask them this next part. Count on getting some uhh's and pauses.</p><p><br /></p><p>All of the major grading companies practice what is known as market grading. What this means is that all that is required for a given coin to be given a given grade - whether toned or not - is for the coin and the grade to be considered market acceptable. Now that's a term you need to remember because it has a larger impact on this hobby of ours than just about any other thing you can imagine. What market acceptable means is quite simple - it means the marketplace will accept it as is - the grade - the toning - or lack thereof. </p><p><br /></p><p>I have seen coins with my own eyes that were artificially toned and submitted to every major grading company - and returned in one of their slabs. I have also seen totally natural toned coins returned in bodybags. There is no rhyme or reason - it just depends on what they think is market acceptable. If it looks too good to be true they'll probably return it bagged. If it looks like it might be true - but there is doubt - it will lilkely be bagged. But if it looks like most folks will say - man that's gorgeous - then put that baby in a slab and mark it with a star !!</p><p><br /></p><p>There are people out there who can tone a coin - any coin - in such a way that the world's foremost expert - or a group of them - CANNOT tell it is fake. I've watched 'em do it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now here's something to think about - that being the case - does it really matter ?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 17442, member: 112"]Hmmmm - I kinda wondered when we'd get around to this subject. So OK - here goes my thoughts. First of all - toning, in some instances can indeed be harful to a coin. It can literally eat the surface right off the coin. Now this is not true in all cases and one needs to learn to differentiate one type of toning from another - the potentially harmful kind. I'll be the first to admit that I have not always found toning attractive. But over the years I did acquire a taste for it. And now - some toned coins I find absolutely drop dead gorgeous !! Others I find as ugly as a mud fence. As they say - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Now toning comes in many shapes, colors and types. Some of it is very subltle while some is downright striking. But virtually every coin - and I do mean every coin - has a small of toning present. Quite often the untrained eye can't even see it. But any coin exposed to the air is going to tone - this is just a simple fact. Now when it to comes to grading companies agreeing to grade & slab a coin - don't ever fool yourself into thinking that toning plays no part or has no effect on the grade. Because it does - quite often it has large effect on the grade. Toning can impact the grade of a coin in several ways. It can cover up marks and deffects that would otherwise be obvious. It can also be misleading when trying to judge the quality of strike for a given coin. It can cover or accentuate luster. And most of all it can have a huge impact on eye appeal. Every single one of these things is very important when determining the grade of a coin. So it does have an effect. And there is something else about toned coins and grading companies - it DOES NOT always have to be natural for the coin to be graded and slabbed. And yes I include the big 4 in this statement - NGC - PCGS - ANACS & ICG. Don't believe me ? Well call 'em up and ask 'em folks. Just be sure to ask them this next part. Count on getting some uhh's and pauses. All of the major grading companies practice what is known as market grading. What this means is that all that is required for a given coin to be given a given grade - whether toned or not - is for the coin and the grade to be considered market acceptable. Now that's a term you need to remember because it has a larger impact on this hobby of ours than just about any other thing you can imagine. What market acceptable means is quite simple - it means the marketplace will accept it as is - the grade - the toning - or lack thereof. I have seen coins with my own eyes that were artificially toned and submitted to every major grading company - and returned in one of their slabs. I have also seen totally natural toned coins returned in bodybags. There is no rhyme or reason - it just depends on what they think is market acceptable. If it looks too good to be true they'll probably return it bagged. If it looks like it might be true - but there is doubt - it will lilkely be bagged. But if it looks like most folks will say - man that's gorgeous - then put that baby in a slab and mark it with a star !! There are people out there who can tone a coin - any coin - in such a way that the world's foremost expert - or a group of them - CANNOT tell it is fake. I've watched 'em do it. Now here's something to think about - that being the case - does it really matter ?[/QUOTE]
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