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Message:: [QUOTE="eddiespin, post: 649226, member: 4920"]Well, first of all, to be fair to Vess1, his statement was, "90% of the people buying coins like this in the OP," which is indeed broader and more inclusive than my interpretation of same, which was, "90% of collectors buying toned coins," and, which we happen to be discussing, now. And, I'll even go as far as to say, you make a case for your position on the latter, and you make a stronger case for your position on the former. Now, that said, let me address your reply this way... Supposing you're correct. Supposing the overwhelming majority of collectors buying toned coins are in fact ignorant of the reality that there are coin doctors out there toning coins and misrepresenting same as "natural" in the hopes of manipulating the "naive public" so as to make a quick buck. I'm not trying to get around your reply, when I inquire, so what? In other words, what bearing should that have on how a collector should proceed in evaluating a toned coin? Or, for that matter, on how a TPG should proceed in evaluating same? Does that have any bearing, whatsoever? Remember, now, the problems associated, here...namely, in discerning "intent." That's what I'd like to know.[/QUOTE]