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<p>[QUOTE="tmoneyeagles, post: 2801808, member: 17557"]Yes. Having that large of an inventory isn't always a dead giveaway, but the pattern of the toning on most of his coins bear patterns that are caused by doctoring.</p><p><br /></p><p>When you see toning patterns like these, RUN.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-American-Silver-Eagle-Selection-Lot-BU-MS-Unique-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gems-/272617368168?hash=item3f7942ea68:g:ly8AAOSwImRYk4Xw" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-American-Silver-Eagle-Selection-Lot-BU-MS-Unique-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gems-/272617368168?hash=item3f7942ea68:g:ly8AAOSwImRYk4Xw" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-American-Silver-Eagle-Selection-Lot-BU-MS-Unique-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gems-/272617368168?hash=item3f7942ea68:g:ly8AAOSwImRYk4Xw</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/fTP7Qok.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/vMXleLs.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-MS-Condition-Deep-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Nice-Luster-26194-/272739831093?hash=item3f808f8d35:g:d2AAAOSw42dZFe~o" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-MS-Condition-Deep-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Nice-Luster-26194-/272739831093?hash=item3f808f8d35:g:d2AAAOSw42dZFe~o" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-MS-Condition-Deep-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Nice-Luster-26194-/272739831093?hash=item3f808f8d35:g:d2AAAOSw42dZFe~o</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/G0kuoAY.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/JObjm28.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-ASE-American-Silver-Eagle-MS-Condition-Deep-Multi-Color-Toned-/282538813884?hash=item41c8a029bc:g:n9gAAOSwyWZZTCCk" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-ASE-American-Silver-Eagle-MS-Condition-Deep-Multi-Color-Toned-/282538813884?hash=item41c8a029bc:g:n9gAAOSwyWZZTCCk" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-ASE-American-Silver-Eagle-MS-Condition-Deep-Multi-Color-Toned-/282538813884?hash=item41c8a029bc:g:n9gAAOSwyWZZTCCk</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/I0p01Yu.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/35BOxUx.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1896-S-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-BU-MS-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gem-Nice-Coin-/282565137550?hash=item41ca31d48e:g:IDUAAOSwPWRZPs6M" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1896-S-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-BU-MS-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gem-Nice-Coin-/282565137550?hash=item41ca31d48e:g:IDUAAOSwPWRZPs6M" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1896-S-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-BU-MS-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gem-Nice-Coin-/282565137550?hash=item41ca31d48e:g:IDUAAOSwPWRZPs6M</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/9ePvE6A.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/uXyhI2H.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The above coins were probably toned using a method involving heat, most likely an oven. These patterns usually find themselves on ASEs or common date AU/low MS examples of Morgan and Peace Dollars. Why? Because they're low risk high reward. $20-$30 for a coin, pop it in the oven, call it a "M@NST3R TON3R!" on eBay, and try to capitalize on the lucrative toned coin market. The target audience are those individuals that haven't yet learned that that type of pattern is not natural.</p><p><br /></p><p>Signs to watch out for: the drastic and deep purple, blues, and oranges as well as both the obverse and reverse being completely toned and bearing the same exact toning pattern.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Not really. To the trained numismatist, those toned examples that I showed are disgusting; they diminish value if anything. But toning that is deemed natural, or questionable but market acceptable, does enhance value, and at times quite dramatically. </p><p><br /></p><p>Some of his examples do appear market acceptable, but the sheer volume of his examples that are not make me suspect of those coins as well. He may be using a mixture of gases of some kind, but as to what gas I cannot be sure. There are some on these boards that claim they know how to do this, well enough to trick the grading companies, but the claims have been made over the years with no results. Because of this, I'm usually suspect of coin doctors who are "talented" but in regards to this particular seller, it's doubtful that all of his toned coins that are slabbed fooled the grading companies.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now these next two examples are a little more attractive, and their patterns do enhance their values. The Peace Dollar is market acceptable, questionable origins, but most would call it natural. The ASE is definitely artificially toned, but PCGS does slab a fair amount of ASEs that are not toned naturally.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-Peace-Silver-1-Dollar-ANACS-MS64-Super-Monster-Deep-Rainbow-Color-Toned-/272751764956?hash=item3f8145a5dc:g:ZAcAAOSwZKBZJbEo" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-Peace-Silver-1-Dollar-ANACS-MS64-Super-Monster-Deep-Rainbow-Color-Toned-/272751764956?hash=item3f8145a5dc:g:ZAcAAOSwZKBZJbEo" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-Peace-Silver-1-Dollar-ANACS-MS64-Super-Monster-Deep-Rainbow-Color-Toned-/272751764956?hash=item3f8145a5dc:g:ZAcAAOSwZKBZJbEo</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/kIxKsOm.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/8REbRWN.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-1-American-Silver-Eagle-ASE-PCGS-MS-67-Rainbow-Toned-/272761210171?hash=item3f81d5c53b:g:mvsAAOSwKoRZZ7Zy" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-1-American-Silver-Eagle-ASE-PCGS-MS-67-Rainbow-Toned-/272761210171?hash=item3f81d5c53b:g:mvsAAOSwKoRZZ7Zy" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-1-American-Silver-Eagle-ASE-PCGS-MS-67-Rainbow-Toned-/272761210171?hash=item3f81d5c53b:g:mvsAAOSwKoRZZ7Zy</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/C8l9scD.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/lm6JZkJ.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/Qed3MHu.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Now this last one is obviously artificially toned, but not even ICG could slab it in good conscience. If a seller has a lot of raw AU/low MS coins and coins that are slabbed as genuine with similar toning patterns then you can deduce what he's trying to do: doctoring coins and trying to get examples that grading companies deem market acceptable so that he can sell them for large premiums.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-American-Silver-Eagle-ASE-Dollar-ICG-Genuine-Beautiful-Rainbow-Color-Tone-/272753869488?hash=item3f8165c2b0:g:D7AAAOSwGBtZYLJW" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-American-Silver-Eagle-ASE-Dollar-ICG-Genuine-Beautiful-Rainbow-Color-Tone-/272753869488?hash=item3f8165c2b0:g:D7AAAOSwGBtZYLJW" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-American-Silver-Eagle-ASE-Dollar-ICG-Genuine-Beautiful-Rainbow-Color-Tone-/272753869488?hash=item3f8165c2b0:g:D7AAAOSwGBtZYLJW</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/bAMw1KQ.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/RXuJtWh.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>One last word on ASEs. The above example is from 2015--under what natural conditions could toning like that possibly develop that quickly?! The rule of looking at the date of mintage isn't always foolproof, as is shown the artificially toned Morgan example above, but it can certainly help in deducing whether toning is natural.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="tmoneyeagles, post: 2801808, member: 17557"]Yes. Having that large of an inventory isn't always a dead giveaway, but the pattern of the toning on most of his coins bear patterns that are caused by doctoring. When you see toning patterns like these, RUN. [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-American-Silver-Eagle-Selection-Lot-BU-MS-Unique-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gems-/272617368168?hash=item3f7942ea68:g:ly8AAOSwImRYk4Xw[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fTP7Qok.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vMXleLs.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-MS-Condition-Deep-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Nice-Luster-26194-/272739831093?hash=item3f808f8d35:g:d2AAAOSw42dZFe~o[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/G0kuoAY.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JObjm28.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-ASE-American-Silver-Eagle-MS-Condition-Deep-Multi-Color-Toned-/282538813884?hash=item41c8a029bc:g:n9gAAOSwyWZZTCCk[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/I0p01Yu.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/35BOxUx.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1896-S-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-BU-MS-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gem-Nice-Coin-/282565137550?hash=item41ca31d48e:g:IDUAAOSwPWRZPs6M[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9ePvE6A.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uXyhI2H.jpg[/IMG] The above coins were probably toned using a method involving heat, most likely an oven. These patterns usually find themselves on ASEs or common date AU/low MS examples of Morgan and Peace Dollars. Why? Because they're low risk high reward. $20-$30 for a coin, pop it in the oven, call it a "M@NST3R TON3R!" on eBay, and try to capitalize on the lucrative toned coin market. The target audience are those individuals that haven't yet learned that that type of pattern is not natural. Signs to watch out for: the drastic and deep purple, blues, and oranges as well as both the obverse and reverse being completely toned and bearing the same exact toning pattern. Not really. To the trained numismatist, those toned examples that I showed are disgusting; they diminish value if anything. But toning that is deemed natural, or questionable but market acceptable, does enhance value, and at times quite dramatically. Some of his examples do appear market acceptable, but the sheer volume of his examples that are not make me suspect of those coins as well. He may be using a mixture of gases of some kind, but as to what gas I cannot be sure. There are some on these boards that claim they know how to do this, well enough to trick the grading companies, but the claims have been made over the years with no results. Because of this, I'm usually suspect of coin doctors who are "talented" but in regards to this particular seller, it's doubtful that all of his toned coins that are slabbed fooled the grading companies. Now these next two examples are a little more attractive, and their patterns do enhance their values. The Peace Dollar is market acceptable, questionable origins, but most would call it natural. The ASE is definitely artificially toned, but PCGS does slab a fair amount of ASEs that are not toned naturally. [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-Peace-Silver-1-Dollar-ANACS-MS64-Super-Monster-Deep-Rainbow-Color-Toned-/272751764956?hash=item3f8145a5dc:g:ZAcAAOSwZKBZJbEo[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kIxKsOm.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8REbRWN.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-1-American-Silver-Eagle-ASE-PCGS-MS-67-Rainbow-Toned-/272761210171?hash=item3f81d5c53b:g:mvsAAOSwKoRZZ7Zy[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/C8l9scD.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lm6JZkJ.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Qed3MHu.jpg[/IMG] Now this last one is obviously artificially toned, but not even ICG could slab it in good conscience. If a seller has a lot of raw AU/low MS coins and coins that are slabbed as genuine with similar toning patterns then you can deduce what he's trying to do: doctoring coins and trying to get examples that grading companies deem market acceptable so that he can sell them for large premiums. [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-American-Silver-Eagle-ASE-Dollar-ICG-Genuine-Beautiful-Rainbow-Color-Tone-/272753869488?hash=item3f8165c2b0:g:D7AAAOSwGBtZYLJW[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bAMw1KQ.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/RXuJtWh.jpg[/IMG] One last word on ASEs. The above example is from 2015--under what natural conditions could toning like that possibly develop that quickly?! The rule of looking at the date of mintage isn't always foolproof, as is shown the artificially toned Morgan example above, but it can certainly help in deducing whether toning is natural.[/QUOTE]
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