IMO, over 50% of the toned coins in the market are AT. Nor do I believe in 75+ yrs old "full red" copper coins.
For your tone coin lovers...the starting bid is only 1100% over greysheet... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1887-beauti...356?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234f906c64
I like the toned coins but appears many beginner collectors like the white coins. No problem, I keep the toned, sell off the white ones. Some with nice toning do sell at a significant premium, above list.
I like both white and toned coins. I'm leaning more and more towards coins with nice toning and great luster, a combination that's hard to beat.
I love original toned coin too, but not the ones that I can't see cartwheel mint luster under the toning. And as for white coins?..don't forget that every silver coin was born white. We can argue that an "original" silver coin must be "100% white" like the day it came off the press..
So very true and the only way (in my mind) is that the coin had to be in the middle of a $1000 bag away from the sulfur riddled bag before being pulled out and placed in a plastic tomb. I like the natural toning also and like you it needs the cartwheel luster under the toning or it's very unappealing IMO.
More than 95+% of blast white coins older than 100 years are artificially untoned. What's your point? You are worried that a toned coin is AT when there are many that are not. Most of those blast white coins from the 19th century were dipped in an acid to remove a layer of metal (GSA Morgans and the like are possible exceptions). If that isn't damaged, I don't know what is. P.S. In many series, including several that I collect, freshly dipped coins frequently trade at discounts.
Original would also seem to imply that it has all the metal it was struck with. A dipped coin does not.
On the other hand any kind of toning (original or not) can be listed as " environmental damaged"...remember, all silver coins left the mint 100% white and original.
It is not damaged until it starts to eat into the metal. If properly stored, toning can be arrested. On another note, original means as close as possible to original condition. Toning will occur on all coins eventually and remain unless doctored. Put another way, it is as original as is possible.