To Settle An Argument...

What the heck is going on to this board. Frankly, I'm beginning to think that we have one guy posing under multiple id's. Or is it that folks aare taking advantage of Doug's absence.

FWIW, I wouldn't by anything from anyone with this kind of attitude to folks any more than I would to guys who ignore me at the counter or sell me bum coins.

I must have added 4 people to my ignore box in the last 48 hours. Your the latest. If you decide to converse more jovially I might change my mind.

Ruben


PS - You can learn a lot from Jack. Be smart and pay attention.

 

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Sir I respectfully will inform you that you have absolutely no idea. Period.

Sure the internet is great but it will NEVER replace the experience of buying a coin that you can ACTUALLY look at from a dealer that actually knows stuff.
If the BUYER knows stuff they can make an informed decision on whether or not to buy said coin.

I buy from very few "internet" dealers and guess what? I've taken the time to get to know them as well. Just as if I was in a "brick and mortar".
Same thing goes for attending a coin show. Get to know your dealers.

This message is constantly touted here on CT yet some just want to jump out and say "you guys are useless", "you're all crooks" etc. Got news for you if these "useless, crooks" were not around you'd rarely see half the coins that are available.
These same people sell on the internet as well.

You really need to do a lot of homework to understand it I'm afraid but let me ask you this in the meantime. When you go to the grocery store do you argue about the price?

 

Wow, Ruben. I agree with you. I was wondering the same thing.

 

FWIW? whatever that means. You are not the only one noticing a trend. It seems more and more clear to me that if I do not agree with the majority in the thread that I am the problem! Why would anyone waste their time as to create multiple screen names to argue a point! The Declaration of Independence provides me the right of freedom of speech, I do not need to hide behind multiple screen names to make my argument for me! As to blocking messages no worries wasting your time I doubt there would be an occasion important enough for me to contact you!

It also occurs to me that this does seem to be a constant with newbies and the old gaurd!Newbies feeling attacked, and the old gaurd crying innocent! If you read through all the posts I believe it was a senior member that fired the first shot! Please for the love of humanity do not say that you won't be my friend because I have the nerve to defend my point! If that is really how you feel then where were you when I was being attacked?

 

Lets not pursue this or it will look like last weeks thread. We both know what to do.

Ruben

 

It's been done. And only a few weeks ago.

 

I think we core members are going to have to be on our best behavior for a while as well. I'm as good at laying out a quip as anyone on occasion but the board seems to be boiling over in too many locations even for the slightest barb even among old friends.

Ruben

 

FWIW = For What Its Worth

As for the rest of your comments, do you have a persecution complex of something? Because you happen to be in the minority does not mean that cannot say what you feel, does not mean that we are going to somehow come and get you, but it also does not mean that we cannot completely disagree with you and we have just as much right to present out beliefs.

 

To respond to the author with the grocery store analogy! I do know the importance of developing a rapport with people who can make or break your business! I have never personally visited any coin shop and tried to get a sales associate or owner to come down on a price! If I like the coin and the price is reasonable I buy it if not, I will simply say no Thank you! The only reason I said what I said to the clerk was because I wanted to see what the response would be if I called them on the low ball price!

I personally have seen a rise in business since the economic down turn! People selling anything of value trying to make ends meet, buyers investing heavily in gold and silver to protect whats left of their money!We as a country are suffering together in my opinion I do not believe this is the time to try and make absurd amounts of profit, kicking other Americans that are down, or been caught up in this vacuum of poverty and despair!

 

No persecution complex here, have no problem with mature disagreement. It is healthy and allows each side to understand the other side of the coin( pun intended ) However when people start to name call and defend a moot point I'm all in! My opinion at best offers entertainment nothing that either of us do or say will have any real effect on the others life!

I am sure that most of the members here are really great people, some a little to caught up in themselves. I think the diversity here is true to life. It takes all kinds and if we were all the same there would be no growth! I have no problem getting along, as a matter of fact I personally prefer it! I would imagine that if some one called you out that you would jump right in the mix! So please understand that in no uncertain terms I will be in the mix every time as well!

 

Post #42 actually and they call me clembo.

Now what's with the exclamation points? You made a comment and got some responses.

Regarding the rest of your post might I suggest you go to the home page and jump into PRWE?

 

Nice to meet you clembo. I on more then one occasion have read your posts. I do apologize if my exclamation points offend you, as I was hoping the content rather than the punctuation would be the catalyst of the conversation.
If you want to defend your actions due to the fact my statement was too vague or general, then my response is when people resort to name calling, I am in it to win it.

Like I stated in an earlier post it has been fun, for the record I will refrain from using exclamation points. Really it is not my intention to offend people.

 

Now this is my kind of thread; members with vastly different opinions expressing themselves honestly and passionately. That is not to say that I condone mean spirited comments or name calling. But this is the type of thread that if everyone keeps their cool, people will learn and grow as a result of a good debate.

Some of the members in this thread have obviously had very bad experiences with some of the coin dealers they have run into. This should not lead to a blanket condemnation of all dealers. There are good and bad in every industry in the world. In fact, the buyers with bad experiences should not even immediately condemn the dealer they had a poor experience with. Numismatics is a huge arena with so much to learn that even most professional dealers develop specialties over time. It nearly impossible to know everything about every series and discipline of numismatics. For example, you shouldn't be surprised that a dealer who specializes in high grade 19th Century coins is not interested in your Franklin Half Dollars that you want to sell and he gives you what you consider a lowball offer. Consider this, that particular dealer may not even know the value of those coins besides consulting the CDN greysheet and may not have a customer base to sell those coins if he buys them. Both factors may lead to a lowball offer.

Furthermore, brick and mortar coin dealers have more competition than every before with the internet and the majors like Heritage and Bowers & Merena etc. They may need to charge a high markup on the coins they buy just to make a small profit after expenses which can vary greatly from location to location.

As for the answer to the OP's question, I agree with Leadfoot. If you don't have a decent rapport with that dealer, and the coin is not easily recognizable, the friend will probably win the bet. In my business (casino), you need to become an established customer before you can expect any kind of discount or special treatment. Unfortunately, coin dealers run into many people on a daily basis that simply waste their time and affect their ability to make a profit. They will not always have the time to educate everyone who steps foot into their store, and we should not expect them to.

I personally have not stepped foot into a B&M coin shop since 1984. I purchase all of my coins sight unseen via the internet with Heritage being my online dealer of choice. They make their 15% and I get my coin and I am fine with that. I also live in South Jersey and there just aren't any B&M coin shops that carry the type of inventory that I purchase. I don't have time to travel to major coin shows, so I am relegated to the internet.

 

Ruben,

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I know and understand your reasons for adding people to that list, but consider this. You are one of the smartest and most entertaining members on this forum. Wouldn't the forum be better served by your attempts to educate others rather than ignore.

Some of the responses in this thread got a little heated, but WLhalves is a rather new member who probably feels like he has been ganged up on by some of the older members.

 

Thank you lehigh96 for bringing some sanity to the thread, much appreciated.