To return, or not to return, that is the question (NOT what you're thinking!)

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Howard Black, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:47 AM.

  1. Howard Black

    Howard Black New Member

    Two things arrived today. Or, three, depending on how you count them. We got the UPS return label to return the two PMD Silver Reverse Proof Sets to the Mint on their dime. (They'll cover the return ticket, but ONLY if you bring up the topic. They will not volunteer that information! If you don't ask for it, you're left with the tear-off return tag on the invoice, and its terms -- i.e., seven day return priv., and YOU-pay freight.)

    We also got -- in our mailbox -- two boxes from them, with one of the sets per box.

    I'd been seriously considering/pretty much planning on leaving them in the sealed/unopened boxes, on the theory that this would impute some additional value to them in a few years.

    But, after our 20% failure rate, and the even worse disasters others have experienced (one guy had a 100% failure rate; another guy posted photos of his PMD coins -- good grief, worse than the worst bag-marked crap I've ever seen) -- and using "standard extrapolation metrics" (i.e., something like for every one customer who complains, a hundred will silently grit their teeth and either eat the loss, or try to resolve it without going to post something about it on the net), I concluded that there is a nontrivial chance of one or both of these sets being crap.

    Now, this will probably be common knowledge in a few years ("2018: The Year the U.S. Mint Crapped on its Customers") -- which will either 1) make people say NO WAY am I gonna buy a pig in a poke!, or, 2) add to "the thrill of the chase" (only to those addicted to gambling).

    What do I do? Do I open them up and look for damage? And if there is some, return them, and hope there's still remaining stock when they finally get around to processing it? (It took them two stinking days to email us a link to get the shipping label!)

    I checked yesterday; as of Tuesday, they'd sold roughly 3/4 of the maximum number of sets to be minted (no one outside the Mint knows the actual number to be minted -- everyone seems to think it's 200,000, but it clearly states that's the maximum number, not the actual number) -- so, I'm worried about even getting the ones we're sending out today returned, instead of refunded.

    PS: To quote Procol Harum, "If I'd known then, what I know now..." -- I'd have opened both our bad sets, swapped dimes, and then instead of having two sets with one bad coin each, we'd have one bad set with two coins. That way, even if they're out of stock, we'd at least only be losing one set. But, since I did not learn that the "lenses" were openable until after we'd reported two bad sets and gotten the wheels turning, we were committed to following through.

    This is a mistake I won't make again -- assuming I open these boxes, and, find two different problem coins on two same-coin lenses. (If only it'd been a bad dollar (or dime) in one kit, and a bad quarter in the other, it'd have been a quick presto-chango. Story of my life...)

    So, the question is, do I open these boxes, or do I not open these boxes?

    Advice eagerly solicited!
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    TONYBRONX Active Member

    I would open them, their not going to be more valuable with PMD, and if they sell out after you do open them, then what. I have had my return experience with the mint all I can say is do you watch grass grow? How fast is it? By the way WELLCOME!
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    Howard Black New Member

    In other words, before handing the box over to UPS, I should kiss our coins goodbye -- or hope that the steady drumbeat of purchases ceases before they run out?

    What part of da Bronx are you from? I grew up near the Allerton Ave./White Plains Rd./BPE area (near "da coops" in "da project").

    TONYBRONX Active Member

    KEEP IN TOUCH HOWARD. - edited -
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    Howard Black New Member

    Same age here. Had an uncle who lived in the tall "project" building on the corner of GHR and WPR, next to the tall EL (where the IRT met with the 3rd Ave. line). "Marty" was filmed not too far from there. I attended Evander for a short while.
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    PS: I used to get White Castles where Allerton and BPR met. A block or two W. on Allerton was the world's best Pizza -- 15 cents a BIG slice, real pizza, unlike the crap they call "pizza" here in the midwest. A couple of real fish markets on Allerton, too. I'd sometimes get up real early, walk down to the fish store, get some fresh flounder caught that morning and fry it up in butter for breakfast. There was also a bagel bakery (wholesale, but they'd sell if you'd walk in), SO much better than the bagged stuff "sold in stores" out here. I've read that the secret to NY bagels and pizza is the water, there's something about NYC water, which is piped in directly from the mountains.

    I finally got my now late father to leave the area around 1980, maybe a year or so later. He'd moved to "da coops" after he gave up his fight with city housing to keep the apartment (a single person living in an apartment? Unthinkable, can't have that! So what if he pays his rent!

    The best government money can buy...

    Anyway, by the time I finally persuaded him to leave, the place made Beirut (during one of their wars) look like a vacation resort town. Murders, rapes, 13 year old dope dealers armed to the teeth. When I was a kid back in the 50s I'd wander around deep in Bronx Park, alone, taking landscape pictures, picking wild berries (blackberries, thimbleberries, mulberries), perfectly safe. By the time he left, you were literally taking your life in your hands just walking down the paved path 20 feet in from the stone wall at BPE.

    The city went to hell so damn quickly... I hope it's better where you are, one of the few remaining safe enclaves (I've heard that a few blocks of Allerton were considered "off limits" to the gang bangers, but that was a decade or two ago, so who knows now).

    Not to digress from the digression... I knew a guy named
    Tony who lived in the same general vicinity as BPR/GHR (back in the 70s), he worked for New York Life, was a Health Underwriter, IIRC.

    TONYBRONX Active Member

    That's not me, I used to sing Acapella with the Five Chancels we used to practice on Gun
    Hill Rd. We won a Acapella contest at the RKO Fordham, and got a recording contract and sang all through the tri state area. The good old days. Do you remember the great restaurant Gino's on Allerton Ave across from the White Castle? It's nice to talk to some one who remembers the neighborhood and the happenings!
    Hope to talk to you soon.
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