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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 4362784, member: 96900"]I have now read forvm and found the casting twin and seeing your pictures of the edge makes me even more believing that your coin is genuine.</p><p>The edge of your coin looks normal and the egde cracks not filled and no file marks (if they removed the casting seam and sprue at edge with a file) and no casting seam or sprue visible on the edge. I will add the picture you have added to forum of your edge.</p><p><br /></p><p>That your coin comes from nfs is a bad sign but needn´t mean that it must be fake, I have bought authentic coins from fakes sellers, too. The nfs possibly bought your coin cheap at local market with other coins and later he sells the authentic ones and then the cast fakes he made with them. And many fake sellers are now mixing fake coins with cheap authentic coins to make the fake coins look more convincing if they come together with authentic ones. </p><p><br /></p><p>Have you never wondered how and where they get the imprint for casting moulds of authentic coins from? </p><p><br /></p><p>I found this post too on forum and I agree that the casting twin from fake reports is a really bad cast fake and on bad cast fakes fine details like scratches can not be copied or not completely copied and the picture of the cast fake is so really really bad that I do not understand how Joe can see if there are still scratches on the cast or at least traces of the scratches left on the cast fake from fake reports.</p><p>And I agree too that the quality of your coin if it comes to surface and details is on a compeltely different level that of the cast fakes with soapy smooth washed out details and with holes from air bubbles. And if there are only two coins known and yours is from much superior quality you can either assume yours is the authetnic host or that 2 different forgers, one complete beginner forger and one really good and sophisticated forger got their hand on an authetnic coin (mother of whihc we do not know where she is) and each produced one cast fake (more are not available in internet but possibly on local markets.) </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102773[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102774[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102775[/ATTACH] "The coin in first picture looks imho most likely authentic but <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=harshly cleaned" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=harshly cleaned" rel="nofollow">harshly cleaned</a> creating this <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=fine" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=fine" rel="nofollow">fine</a> sratches.</p><p>I have searched <a href="http://www.acsearch.info/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.acsearch.info/" rel="nofollow">acsearch</a>, coinvac (<a href="http://stores.ebay.com/FORVM-ANCIENT-COINS" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://stores.ebay.com/FORVM-ANCIENT-COINS" rel="nofollow">ebay</a> archive) and <a href="http://www.google.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.google.com/" rel="nofollow">google</a> and I was not able to find any further twin or possible host.</p><p><br /></p><p>Martijn Peeters, does not seem to have any typical casting problems or anything else that would imply it must be <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" rel="nofollow">fakes</a> except that a cast twin exist, which was most likely made from <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his" rel="nofollow">his</a> coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>The <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507" rel="nofollow">Bulgarian</a> cast twin is a very very very bad cast fake (like all cast <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" rel="nofollow">fakes</a> from this <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0" rel="nofollow">fake seller</a>), extremely <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-1060" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-1060" rel="nofollow">soapy</a> details, and circular holes from gas bubbles and massive detail loss which explain why the <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=fine" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=fine" rel="nofollow">fine</a> scratches from harshly cleaning of the authetnic host were most likely not captured on the cast fake or hardly captured. Very bad cast <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" rel="nofollow">fakes</a> can not capture <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=very fine" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=very fine" rel="nofollow">very fine</a> details. The picture <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666" rel="nofollow">quality</a> of the picture of <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507" rel="nofollow">Bulgarian</a> cast fake is terrible that it would be imho impossible to tell if some of this these scratches from authetnic host were even copied to the cast fake or not, we would need better pictures of the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507" rel="nofollow">Bulgarian</a> cast fake to tell for sure. </p><p><br /></p><p>So we either have the case that two different forgers took imrints of the same mother and both created each 1 cast fake with this mould.</p><p>And one of this forgers was a <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=complete" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=complete" rel="nofollow">complete</a> amateur if we consider the <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666" rel="nofollow">quality</a> of the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507" rel="nofollow">Bulgarian</a> cast fake and one forger must have been a professional very experienced forger if we consider the <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666" rel="nofollow">quality</a> of <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his" rel="nofollow">his</a> coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>The <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666" rel="nofollow">quality</a> differences of details and surface of both <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=412&pos=0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=412&pos=0" rel="nofollow">Hadrian</a> coins is extreme, that they can be impossible from the same forger or workshop."</p><p><br /></p><p>Do as you wish but I think that your coin is not precious enough to pay an expensive authentication service. Maybe better pcitures of your coin can help to get a more reliable authentication.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 4362784, member: 96900"]I have now read forvm and found the casting twin and seeing your pictures of the edge makes me even more believing that your coin is genuine. The edge of your coin looks normal and the egde cracks not filled and no file marks (if they removed the casting seam and sprue at edge with a file) and no casting seam or sprue visible on the edge. I will add the picture you have added to forum of your edge. That your coin comes from nfs is a bad sign but needn´t mean that it must be fake, I have bought authentic coins from fakes sellers, too. The nfs possibly bought your coin cheap at local market with other coins and later he sells the authentic ones and then the cast fakes he made with them. And many fake sellers are now mixing fake coins with cheap authentic coins to make the fake coins look more convincing if they come together with authentic ones. Have you never wondered how and where they get the imprint for casting moulds of authentic coins from? I found this post too on forum and I agree that the casting twin from fake reports is a really bad cast fake and on bad cast fakes fine details like scratches can not be copied or not completely copied and the picture of the cast fake is so really really bad that I do not understand how Joe can see if there are still scratches on the cast or at least traces of the scratches left on the cast fake from fake reports. And I agree too that the quality of your coin if it comes to surface and details is on a compeltely different level that of the cast fakes with soapy smooth washed out details and with holes from air bubbles. And if there are only two coins known and yours is from much superior quality you can either assume yours is the authetnic host or that 2 different forgers, one complete beginner forger and one really good and sophisticated forger got their hand on an authetnic coin (mother of whihc we do not know where she is) and each produced one cast fake (more are not available in internet but possibly on local markets.) [ATTACH=full]1102773[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102774[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102775[/ATTACH] "The coin in first picture looks imho most likely authentic but [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=harshly cleaned']harshly cleaned[/URL] creating this [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=fine']fine[/URL] sratches. I have searched [URL='http://www.acsearch.info/']acsearch[/URL], coinvac ([URL='http://stores.ebay.com/FORVM-ANCIENT-COINS']ebay[/URL] archive) and [URL='http://www.google.com/']google[/URL] and I was not able to find any further twin or possible host. Martijn Peeters, does not seem to have any typical casting problems or anything else that would imply it must be [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php']fakes[/URL] except that a cast twin exist, which was most likely made from [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his']his[/URL] coin. The [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507']Bulgarian[/URL] cast twin is a very very very bad cast fake (like all cast [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php']fakes[/URL] from this [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0']fake seller[/URL]), extremely [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-1060']soapy[/URL] details, and circular holes from gas bubbles and massive detail loss which explain why the [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=fine']fine[/URL] scratches from harshly cleaning of the authetnic host were most likely not captured on the cast fake or hardly captured. Very bad cast [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php']fakes[/URL] can not capture [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=very fine']very fine[/URL] details. The picture [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666']quality[/URL] of the picture of [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507']Bulgarian[/URL] cast fake is terrible that it would be imho impossible to tell if some of this these scratches from authetnic host were even copied to the cast fake or not, we would need better pictures of the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507']Bulgarian[/URL] cast fake to tell for sure. So we either have the case that two different forgers took imrints of the same mother and both created each 1 cast fake with this mould. And one of this forgers was a [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=complete']complete[/URL] amateur if we consider the [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666']quality[/URL] of the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1635&pos=0&open=1507']Bulgarian[/URL] cast fake and one forger must have been a professional very experienced forger if we consider the [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666']quality[/URL] of [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=his']his[/URL] coin. The [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1666']quality[/URL] differences of details and surface of both [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=412&pos=0']Hadrian[/URL] coins is extreme, that they can be impossible from the same forger or workshop." Do as you wish but I think that your coin is not precious enough to pay an expensive authentication service. Maybe better pcitures of your coin can help to get a more reliable authentication.[/QUOTE]
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