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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 4351316, member: 19463"]I see nothing in the photo that would tip me off but finding an exact match is a problem that far exceeds our hopes. </p><p><br /></p><p>I have a story told before. Long, long ago in a coin show in Baltimore I was looking through a junk box of a 'big name' seller. When I was handling this As the dealer said, "I'll give it to you for $8 if you can tell me who it is."</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1101252[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I said, "Clodius Albinus", paid my $8 and left with my prize. When I got home and looked more closely, I noticed the bright silver spot on the reverse edge at 10 o'clock and realized the coin was a lead cast painted copper. </p><p><br /></p><p>When I saw the seller at the next show, I told him of the matter. He replied, "Even so, it was worth what you paid for it." He was right. I saved a lot of money never again buying from him. I did however have one more contact with him. I bought a somewhat beat up but rare coin of Julia Domna from a seller then unknown to me but later discovered to be of questionable integrity and also placed on my list to avoid. Researching the coin I saw what I believed to be a match in a printed auction catalog a few years earlier by the Clodius Albinus seller. At a show, I told him of the match and asked what he saw in the matter. He explained that it was probably the same coin since my coin had all the beauty marks of the one he sold and a few extra and his buyer was "famous for cleaning and ruining coins". I continued to doubt the coin but the death of the seller made returning it impossible even if he would have refunded it. </p><p><br /></p><p>Later, I discovered that the coin was ex Dattari/Savio (that made me feel better) identifiable from the pencil rubbing in that reference. About that time I considered sending it off to be expertised but decided that spending $50 on a $100 coin was not cost effective and I would never sell the coin anyway. My coin is the bottom one below. The top coin showed up in a CNG sale.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1101255[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The CNG coin showed the marks shown on the old catalog and in the D/S rubbing but not the extra ones on my coin. I assume that it was the mother from which my coin was cast but I have no idea when or by whom. That, I would really like to know!</p><p><br /></p><p>Again, I am out the money (this time $100) but have learned about that much from the experience. Tuition is expensive. I am not a fast learner. I have another coin I question to the point I could not sell them to anyone but a dealer who claimed to know more than I do and believed I was wrong doubting them. I am waiting for CNG to publish their mothers so I will, again, be shown to be the fool. That, too, is part of the hobby as I know it. I could send them off to get opinions but I have not. Maybe, someday, I will know but I really doubt it. We tend to hope for the best even when we should know better. It is also wrong to condemn good coins for problems we imagine but that does not mean that we have to buy coins in this class. I pity the guys who make a living expertising coins. They have to deal with making close calls and can't just walk away from them. I am, slowly, getting better. At my current rate, I'll be pretty good when I celebrate my 100th anniversary in the hobby (2060 give or take a few years). <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 4351316, member: 19463"]I see nothing in the photo that would tip me off but finding an exact match is a problem that far exceeds our hopes. I have a story told before. Long, long ago in a coin show in Baltimore I was looking through a junk box of a 'big name' seller. When I was handling this As the dealer said, "I'll give it to you for $8 if you can tell me who it is." [ATTACH=full]1101252[/ATTACH] I said, "Clodius Albinus", paid my $8 and left with my prize. When I got home and looked more closely, I noticed the bright silver spot on the reverse edge at 10 o'clock and realized the coin was a lead cast painted copper. When I saw the seller at the next show, I told him of the matter. He replied, "Even so, it was worth what you paid for it." He was right. I saved a lot of money never again buying from him. I did however have one more contact with him. I bought a somewhat beat up but rare coin of Julia Domna from a seller then unknown to me but later discovered to be of questionable integrity and also placed on my list to avoid. Researching the coin I saw what I believed to be a match in a printed auction catalog a few years earlier by the Clodius Albinus seller. At a show, I told him of the match and asked what he saw in the matter. He explained that it was probably the same coin since my coin had all the beauty marks of the one he sold and a few extra and his buyer was "famous for cleaning and ruining coins". I continued to doubt the coin but the death of the seller made returning it impossible even if he would have refunded it. Later, I discovered that the coin was ex Dattari/Savio (that made me feel better) identifiable from the pencil rubbing in that reference. About that time I considered sending it off to be expertised but decided that spending $50 on a $100 coin was not cost effective and I would never sell the coin anyway. My coin is the bottom one below. The top coin showed up in a CNG sale. [ATTACH=full]1101255[/ATTACH] The CNG coin showed the marks shown on the old catalog and in the D/S rubbing but not the extra ones on my coin. I assume that it was the mother from which my coin was cast but I have no idea when or by whom. That, I would really like to know! Again, I am out the money (this time $100) but have learned about that much from the experience. Tuition is expensive. I am not a fast learner. I have another coin I question to the point I could not sell them to anyone but a dealer who claimed to know more than I do and believed I was wrong doubting them. I am waiting for CNG to publish their mothers so I will, again, be shown to be the fool. That, too, is part of the hobby as I know it. I could send them off to get opinions but I have not. Maybe, someday, I will know but I really doubt it. We tend to hope for the best even when we should know better. It is also wrong to condemn good coins for problems we imagine but that does not mean that we have to buy coins in this class. I pity the guys who make a living expertising coins. They have to deal with making close calls and can't just walk away from them. I am, slowly, getting better. At my current rate, I'll be pretty good when I celebrate my 100th anniversary in the hobby (2060 give or take a few years). :([/QUOTE]
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