To dip or Not to dip, that is the question

What do you guys think. I'm a little hesitant to dip better dates that are a bit on the dark side as it's not a sure fire bet it will turn out well. The coin does have amazing luster and I can see nothing underneath that will give it a details grade. It isn't so dark that I can't see under the color. The areas I'm concerned about where it is too dark is the back of the hair and stars opposite it. If the rest of the coin comes out well but still leaves traces inside the recesses of the hair I'm screwed.

What I don't like is how the color makes the planchet roller lines look like damage that someone added color to try to hide which is not the case, and there is pullaway, but that's not to say a grader won't think that with a 5 second scan and QC it. Plus, if it does come out right I will get more money for a nice blast white 63 than a 63 with this color even if it straight grades as is. #Decisions

 

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No dip! Usually coins with a gray surface may not "blast!" Nice original color.

PS Any profession who thinks that is damage should be sent home with no lunch!

 

NO!

The 'scrapes' on the chin will really stand out

 

A numismatist's equivalent of the Hippocratic Oath should apply here: simply "do no harm". Any perceived potential upside does not justify or outweigh the risks or downside imo.

 

I agree it looks good as is. why bring out more problems

 

I like it the way it is, since the toning gives it a good contrast.

 

Those aren't PMD scrapes. They're planchet roller lines. You can see slightly see them on the reverse too above the arrow tips

 

I like it as is and wouldn't do a thing to it.

 

My guess is that @Treashunt wrote "scrapes" as he did for the lack of a better term, and not because he believed them to be PMD.

 

I like the look of it now.

Thanks,
Jacob

 

Are you really not talking my word that they are roller lines Doug. Where's the eye roll emoji? I can guarantee you that they are. They go through the ear & hair too but the higher strike filled them out a bit there so they are more light in terms of depth. The depth of them at the cheek prevented the toning from going fully into the recesses.

 

I'd leave it as is. I like the look of it and would send it to PCGS and see how it goes.

 

I was simply speculating as to his intent based solely upon how he presented his response, and the tag was intended as a request to clarify if he wished to do so.

 

Geez. Not a single person thinks I should dip her. I guess I'll send her in like this. Let's get @SuperDave's opinion first though. Thanks guys.

And as if my word isn't good when it comes to Morgan's (SMF), especially on something so basic as the difference between roller lines and PMD, this should put it to bed for you Doug. Although I will acquiesce that it does mimic PMD well on this one with how the toning manifested but my word should be all that is needed.

 

I believed you bud. You've looked at at least a couple dozen Morgans over the years.

Those last images should most undoubtedly put to rest the question of roller lines vs. PMD.

 

From what I can see with those last few pictures, it looks like the toning did not take due to a planchet flaw just below the surface that was exposed while being drawn through the draw bench. That white looks familiar, as I've seen it on other Morgans.

 

Don't dip - that isn't dark at all. And I don't think it's worth sending to a TPGer unless it's a tough VAM. But it is an 87-S, so not common, so on second thought...

 

Please forgive me, but what does "SMF" mean in this instance? I'm guessing it's something other than what google is telling me....

 

It's a VAM 5A which seems to be rather rare but that doesn't mean it will add a premium. And being a $250+ coin yes, it should be slabbed to see a maximum return unless someone wants it for $200 now