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  1. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    No bean. Old cleaning
     
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  3. Santinidollar

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  4. jom

    jom Well-Known Member

    OK, here ya go.

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  5. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Interesting....what are your thoughts @jom
     
  6. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

    Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

    Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

    Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

    Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

    Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

    Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

    Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

    Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

    Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

    Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

    Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

    Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

    Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 36: 1936-D MS 67 Texas UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 37: 1928 MS 66 Oregon UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 0

    Rd. 38: 1893 MS 64 Isabella CAC 25c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

    Rd. 39: 1820 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

    Rd. 40: 1881-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 7 (3 Green and 4 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 41: 1940 PR 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Rd. 42: 1824 AU 50 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 43: 1937 Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

    Rd. 44: 1903 PR 63 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 1

    Rd. 45: 1857 MS 64 CAC 10c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 6

    Rd. 46: 1828 MS 62 CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 47: 1958 MS 67 FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 9

    Rd. 48: 1902 PR 64 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 49: 1832 AU 58 CAC 1/2c--> Yes: 5 (1 gold) vs No: 4

    Rd. 50: 1902 PF 61 CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

    Rd. 51: 1953-D MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 52: 1880 MS 64 CAC $1--> Yes: 3 vs No: 2

    Rd. 53: 1882-CC MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 54: 1892 MS 64 Columbian CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 0

    Rd. 55: 1895-O VF 20 CAC $1--> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

    Rd. 56: 1880-O MS 64 Not CAC $1--> Yes: 11 vs No: 0

    Rd. 57: 1954 PF 65 CAM Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (7 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 58: 1879-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

    Rd. 59: 1949 MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 5

    Rd. 60: 1880-S MS 66 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 vs No: 7

    Rd. 61: 1936 MS 67+ Green CAC York 50c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

    Rd. 62: 1823/2 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 6 vs No: 3

    Rd. 63: 1920 MS 65 CAC Pilgrim 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 4

    Rd. 64: 1901/0-S XF 45 GOLD CAC Gold $5--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 65: 1937-D Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 12 vs No: 1

    Rd. 66: 1829 AU 55 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 2

    Rd. 67: 1859 PR 62 Gold CAC H10c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 68: 1883-O MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 69: 1818 AU 50 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 70: 1828 F 12 NOT CAC 25c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 1

    Rd. 71: 1882-S MS 67 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

    Rd. 72: 1879 PR 65 CAM Green CAC 3CN--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 73: 1809 XF 40 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 4

    Rd. 74: 1879-S MS 64 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 10 (9 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 75: 1831 AU 58 CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (4 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 76: 1925 MS 64 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (3 Green and 6 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 77: 1821 AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 2

    Rd. 78: 1874-CC AU 55 NOT CAC Trade $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

    Rd. 79: 1915-S MS 66 NOT CAC Pan-Pac 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 4

    Rd. 80: 1939-d MS68+FB NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

    Rd. 81: 1805 VF 30 CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

    Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 29
    Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 20
    Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 2
    Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 8
    Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
    Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 15
    Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 2
    Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:3
    Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


    Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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    Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
    Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold
     
  7. jom

    jom Well-Known Member

    I thought the coin was pretty nice but I can see why some would object to the re-toning. Normally, CAC would reject such a piece but this seems to be an exception. However, the coin did not have the "sick" look (the best way I can describe it) that often happens with a re-toned coin.

    Also I didn't see the adjustment marks as a problem....it just affected the value...no big deal. I did not send this one in myself so I was never able to ask JA about it. I sold it some years ago.

    jom
     
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  8. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I give up trying to apply logic to this endeavor.

    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic-Arthur C. Clarke
     
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  9. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    7D86DA40-0F35-4031-B519-699A1002DAC2.jpeg Ok here goes. Pcgs ms 65 cac or no
     
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  10. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Something makes me think no CAC
     
  11. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I'm going with no sticker also. Though it does look quite mark free. Maybe the toning is a bit.....weird? - those different shades of blue? I would like to see this one in hand.
     
  12. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Supporter! Supporter

    Don't care what JA says. I like it. Yes to the bean.
     
  13. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Strange secondary toning

    No bean
     
  14. GoldBug999

    GoldBug999 Well-Known Member

    I'll guess no bean because of the toning. I really mean "guess", because some of the beaned and unbeaned coins are mystifying in their bean status.
     
  15. jom

    jom Well-Known Member

    This one is difficult due to the photo...I've never cared too much for the PCGS photos. I'll venture nothing more than a guess: No bead.

    jom
     
  16. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Anyone else before @Mainebill reveals the answer?
     
  17. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    It was a green bean. I don’t think pcgs photos captured the prooflike appeal and huge luster in hand
     
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  18. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

    Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

    Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

    Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

    Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

    Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

    Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

    Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

    Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

    Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

    Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

    Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

    Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

    Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 36: 1936-D MS 67 Texas UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 37: 1928 MS 66 Oregon UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 0

    Rd. 38: 1893 MS 64 Isabella CAC 25c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

    Rd. 39: 1820 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

    Rd. 40: 1881-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 7 (3 Green and 4 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 41: 1940 PR 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Rd. 42: 1824 AU 50 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 43: 1937 Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

    Rd. 44: 1903 PR 63 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 1

    Rd. 45: 1857 MS 64 CAC 10c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 6

    Rd. 46: 1828 MS 62 CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 47: 1958 MS 67 FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 9

    Rd. 48: 1902 PR 64 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 49: 1832 AU 58 CAC 1/2c--> Yes: 5 (1 gold) vs No: 4

    Rd. 50: 1902 PF 61 CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

    Rd. 51: 1953-D MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 52: 1880 MS 64 CAC $1--> Yes: 3 vs No: 2

    Rd. 53: 1882-CC MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 54: 1892 MS 64 Columbian CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 0

    Rd. 55: 1895-O VF 20 CAC $1--> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

    Rd. 56: 1880-O MS 64 Not CAC $1--> Yes: 11 vs No: 0

    Rd. 57: 1954 PF 65 CAM Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (7 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 58: 1879-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

    Rd. 59: 1949 MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 5

    Rd. 60: 1880-S MS 66 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 vs No: 7

    Rd. 61: 1936 MS 67+ Green CAC York 50c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

    Rd. 62: 1823/2 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 6 vs No: 3

    Rd. 63: 1920 MS 65 CAC Pilgrim 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 4

    Rd. 64: 1901/0-S XF 45 GOLD CAC Gold $5--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 65: 1937-D Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 12 vs No: 1

    Rd. 66: 1829 AU 55 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 2

    Rd. 67: 1859 PR 62 Gold CAC H10c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 68: 1883-O MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 69: 1818 AU 50 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 70: 1828 F 12 NOT CAC 25c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 1

    Rd. 71: 1882-S MS 67 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

    Rd. 72: 1879 PR 65 CAM Green CAC 3CN--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 73: 1809 XF 40 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 4

    Rd. 74: 1879-S MS 64 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 10 (9 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 75: 1831 AU 58 CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (4 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 76: 1925 MS 64 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (3 Green and 6 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 77: 1821 AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 2

    Rd. 78: 1874-CC AU 55 NOT CAC Trade $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

    Rd. 79: 1915-S MS 66 NOT CAC Pan-Pac 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 4

    Rd. 80: 1939-d MS68+FB NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

    Rd. 81: 1805 VF 30 CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

    Rd. 82: 1879 MS 65 CAC 25c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 29
    Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 21
    Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 2
    Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 8
    Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
    Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 15
    Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 2
    Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:3
    Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


    Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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    Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
    Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold
     
  19. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    I don’t see anyone in the queue so I’ll jump in...

    AU58FH
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  20. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

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