To CAC or not to CAC - official game thread

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  1. ddddd

    ddddd Member

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  3. Juno

    Juno Member

    This is about the best teaching tool I have encountered online. Not because I endorse CAC (which I do), bit because the commentary is either wry or informative, and often both. So please let me know when I can post a coin for evaluation.
     
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  4. Juno

    Juno Member

    1915S PAN PAC PCGS MS66 C32D9521-1B83-45F7-AE6C-AB8B63CD5154.jpeg 8376DA5A-C00E-4537-A24A-A210956F8ADF.jpeg
     
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  5. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Very cool coin, but I question if the luster is there for a 66. I'll guess no bean.
     
  6. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    +1
     
  7. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect for 65 years

    Looks like a good example of album toning. I agree with the comment about luster but am going to assume it's partially due to the photo. I'll give it a green bean.
     
  8. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I have. I idea how to grade these so I’m just guessing when I say yes to the green bean
     
  9. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I think the luster is hidng under what looks like natural and album toning. I'm voting yes on the bean.
     
  10. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I'm also a bit concerned with the luster but agree that it might just be the photo.

    I will say yes to Green.
     
  11. GoldBug999

    GoldBug999 Well-Known Member

    Sorry for my tardiness - if it makes any difference, I just logged on and was going to say "no bean" because it looks to me like it is not a solid AU 55 - more like a 50 or 53.
     
  12. GoldBug999

    GoldBug999 Well-Known Member

    I was referring to the Trade dollar in the previous posting.
     
  13. GoldBug999

    GoldBug999 Well-Known Member

    With regard to the Pan Pac, I think I see some minor scratches (although they could be on the slab, and I don't think that toning looks nice. I will vote no bean.
     
  14. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    No bean on the pan pac. Good original surfaces but I’ll agree with the lack of luster. I also think it’s maxed out for the grade I can see it green at 65.
     
  15. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Supporter! Supporter

    Yes to the bean. If there was a problem with the luster, I don't think it would've graded MS 66.
     
  16. jom

    jom Well-Known Member

    Good points all...I had some reservations on the luster as well but I don't think this design shows that all too often so I'll favor PCGS's decision and go with the Green Bean.

    jom
     
  17. Derek2200

    Derek2200 Active Member

    Yes to green on panpac
     
  18. Juno

    Juno Member

    No bean. I brought this and a dozen other coins to CAC many years ago. JA discussed every coin briefly. However, I just don’t recall the reason he gave for passing on this coin. The dealer who sold me the coin was very upset. This is not an uncommon experience.
     
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  19. Derek2200

    Derek2200 Active Member

    I bet he was.
     
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  20. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

    Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

    Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

    Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

    Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

    Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

    Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

    Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

    Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

    Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

    Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

    Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

    Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

    Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 36: 1936-D MS 67 Texas UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 37: 1928 MS 66 Oregon UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 0

    Rd. 38: 1893 MS 64 Isabella CAC 25c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

    Rd. 39: 1820 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

    Rd. 40: 1881-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 7 (3 Green and 4 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 41: 1940 PR 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Rd. 42: 1824 AU 50 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 43: 1937 Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

    Rd. 44: 1903 PR 63 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 1

    Rd. 45: 1857 MS 64 CAC 10c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 6

    Rd. 46: 1828 MS 62 CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 47: 1958 MS 67 FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 9

    Rd. 48: 1902 PR 64 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 49: 1832 AU 58 CAC 1/2c--> Yes: 5 (1 gold) vs No: 4

    Rd. 50: 1902 PF 61 CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

    Rd. 51: 1953-D MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 52: 1880 MS 64 CAC $1--> Yes: 3 vs No: 2

    Rd. 53: 1882-CC MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 54: 1892 MS 64 Columbian CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 0

    Rd. 55: 1895-O VF 20 CAC $1--> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

    Rd. 56: 1880-O MS 64 Not CAC $1--> Yes: 11 vs No: 0

    Rd. 57: 1954 PF 65 CAM Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (7 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 58: 1879-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

    Rd. 59: 1949 MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 5

    Rd. 60: 1880-S MS 66 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 vs No: 7

    Rd. 61: 1936 MS 67+ Green CAC York 50c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

    Rd. 62: 1823/2 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 6 vs No: 3

    Rd. 63: 1920 MS 65 CAC Pilgrim 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 4

    Rd. 64: 1901/0-S XF 45 GOLD CAC Gold $5--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 65: 1937-D Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 12 vs No: 1

    Rd. 66: 1829 AU 55 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 2

    Rd. 67: 1859 PR 62 Gold CAC H10c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 68: 1883-O MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 69: 1818 AU 50 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 70: 1828 F 12 NOT CAC 25c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 1

    Rd. 71: 1882-S MS 67 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

    Rd. 72: 1879 PR 65 CAM Green CAC 3CN--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 73: 1809 XF 40 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 4

    Rd. 74: 1879-S MS 64 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 10 (9 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 75: 1831 AU 58 CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (4 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 76: 1925 MS 64 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (3 Green and 6 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 77: 1821 AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 2

    Rd. 78: 1874-CC AU 55 NOT CAC Trade $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

    Rd. 79: 1915-S MS 66 NOT CAC Pan-Pac 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 4

    Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 29
    Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 19
    Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 2
    Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 8
    Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
    Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 14
    Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 2
    Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:3
    Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


    Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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    Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
    Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold
     
  21. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    @Juno feel free to post more :)
     
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