Tiny, Tiny and Tiniest

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Pellinore, May 15, 2017.

  1. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    I had two tiny Greek coins, one an electrum 1/24 stater from Phocaea (about 600 BC), a seal's head on obv., the reverse incuse. 7 mm, .69 gr.
    And a AR tetartemorion from Colophon (about 450-400 BC), that's 1/24 drachm. Head of Apollo to the right on obv., reverse a stork and the monogram TE - one of not so many Ancient coins bearing its denomination. 7 mm, .24 gr. For 35 years, it was the smallest coin in my possession.

    But this one (it came in today) is much smaller! Apparently, it's an AR 1/96 stater from either Milete or Erythrae in the west of Anatolia, 520-480 BC. Obv. a whirl (!). Rev. a rosette. 4 mm, .12 gr!


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    A great coin, being that small! And I love the whirl, a phenomenon of nature that musthave baffled the Ancients.

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Neat coins, Pellinore
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    wow, that is a wee lil' baby, eh? (pretty sure that beats my smallest)

    ... I'm gonna go check

    => congrats, either way

    Man, that is a tiny coin!! (totally awesome)

    NOTE: I'm sure that some of our cool CoinTalk followers would "hate" having a coin that is sooooo small, eh? (that's why this place is so fricken cool!)


    => there are enough normal and weird coins to go around!!
     
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  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Even smaller than the 5th century LRB. Man, that is one tiny coin! How would the mint even strike it?
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Those three great coins. I have fallen in love with these tiny coins. As I've said before, it baffles the mind how the heck the engravers were able to do what they did. I believe my smallest are from Caria:
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    CARIA, KASOLABA
    AR Hemiobol
    OBV: Head of ram right
    REV: Head of young male right
    Struck at Caria, Kasolaba, circa 420-400 BC
    .5g; 8mm
    Konuk, Kasolaba 10; SNG Keckman 883-902
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    MYLASA, CARIA
    AR Tetartemorion
    OBVERSE: Lion's head left with reversed foreleg below
    REVERSE: Lion's scalp facing, flanked by leg on both sides, in incuse circle
    Struck at Mylasa, 392-376 BC
    .2g, 6mm
    SNG Keckman I 837-846 (lion left)
     
  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Congrats again on your sweet OP-score (it's fricken tiny)

    => here are a few of my wee examples ...


    Mysia, Kyzikos AR Hemiobol

    Date: 600-480 BC
    Diameter: 6.5 mm
    Weight: 0.23 grams
    Obverse: Tunny fish right
    Reverse: Quadripartite incuse square
    Mysia Kyzikos Tunny Fish.JPG


    IONIA, Erythrai. AR Hemiobol
    Circa 480-450 BC
    Diameter: 6 mm
    Weight: 0.29 grams
    Obverse: Rosette
    Reverse: Simpler rosette within incuse square
    Ionia Erythrai.jpg


    MACEDON, Mende. AR Tritartemorion
    Circa 460-423 BC
    Diameter: 10 mm
    Weight: 0.62 grams
    Obverse: Ass standing right
    Reverse: Crow standing left within incuse square
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    MACEDON, Mende. AR Hemiobol
    Circa 460-423 BC
    Diameter: 8 mm
    Weight: 0.33 grams
    Obverse: Forepart of ass right
    Reverse: Kantharos within incuse square
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    => here is my smallest and coolest coin (one of my top five favourites!!)

    IONIA, Ephesos, AR Tetartemorion
    Circa 500-420 BC
    Diameter: 5 x 8 mm
    Weight: 0.17 grams
    Obverse: Bee
    Reverse: Head of eagle right within incuse square

    Ionia Ephesos Tetartemorion.jpg

    wow => your OP-coin at 0.12 grams is a real winner
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That is a very clear stork. Mine is a cicadia. What else is there?
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  9. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Aha! Erythrai, eh. I already thought Miletus was improbable: that's where the lions and boars roam, not the whirls. Your obverse is more like a sunflower, though.

    I just found a possible identification for the whirl or rosette, in Wikipedia, here. The small city of Erythrai was famous for the production of millstones! So - maybe it's that.
     
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  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    :rolleyes:

    no problem
     
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  11. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    It was quite common for coins to be carried in practically the only place possible where they didn't risk being lost - but being swallowed accidentally must surely have happened often.

    Some of the coins like the 1/96th of a stater above are quite rare because they are not easily found in digs - but they must have been much more common when they actually circulated.
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    @Pellinore - great FIND! Great looking tiny-coin! I am also amazed as to how they cut the die, carefully hammered them, then carrying them (mouth, purse, HAND???), and also as to where they all went. Being so small, it would be easy to lose them and missing them today in digs /hoards being so small.

    I have a few small ones...

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    Uncert West Asia Minor Karia 5th C BC AR tetartermorion 5mm 0.15g Female - Frprt Bull r Kayhan 968 exc rght


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    Iona Kolophon AR Tetartemorion 530-520 BCE Archaic Apollo Incuse Punch 0.15g 4.5mm- SNG Kayhan 343

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    Ionia AR Tetartemorion 4mm 0.13g 530-500 BCE Rosette - Incuse sq punch 5 pellets SNG von Aulock 1807 (my smallest diameter)

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    Persia Achaemenid Empire Darius I 510-486 BC AR 0.11g 5mm 1/32nd Siglos Persian hero-king in running incuse Klein 758 Rare (my lightest weight)
     
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  13. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    That's a really cool one, Pellinore. The idea that the device may represent a millstone is very intriguing!

    My smallest:
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    IONIA, Teos
    AR Tetartemorion. 0.14g, 4.7mm, IONIA, Teos, circa 540-478 BC. Cf. CNG 63, lot 506. O: Head of griffin left. R: Quadripartite incuse square with raised central pellet.
     
  14. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    My luck, I'd lose a coin that small. It makes one wonder how something that tiny practically circulated.

    Congrats on acquiring a miniature masterpiece!
     
  15. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    your coin is a bit over half the diameter of my smallest greek AR!

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  16. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Neat coins!
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    Ar 0.249g, 6.7mm

    maybe Elea(Elia?), Aeolis, AR Hemiobol. Late 5th century BC. Head of Athena left, in crested helmet / E L A I, around olive wreath, all within incuse square. SNG Cop 164
     
  17. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Sweet coins @Pellinore! I'll have to get a gold one now.

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    CARIA, Satraps of. Hekatomnos. 395-377 BC. AR Tetartemorion
    Obv: Head of a roaring lion left.
    Rev: Facing head of Apollo
    6mm, 0.25 gm.
     
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  18. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

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  19. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    When I put this on a scale, it does not even register. That means it is below 0.05g. :wideyed:

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  20. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    This is probably the smallest coin I have at 6.7mm

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