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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 8254741, member: 110350"]A wonderful idea for a thread, and some very nice coins! A Happy Bacchanalia to you. But please take my advice and avoid wandering in the woods at night for the next little while, lest you accidentally come upon a group of maenads in a frenzied state. The outcome would probably not be good for you.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a coin of Dionysos:</p><p><br /></p><p>Lydia, Philadelphia, AE 17, Late 2nd/Early 1st Centuries BCE, Hermippos, son of Hermogenes,* archiereus [magistrate]. Obv. Head of young Dionysos right, wearing ivy-wreath and band across forehead, [Φ]ΙΛΑΔΕΛΦΕ[ΩΝ] vertically behind / Rev. Spotted pantheress [leopard] walking left, with head turned back to right, cradling thyrsos bound with fillet (ribbon) against left shoulder, right foreleg raised; ΑΡΧΙΕΡ-ΕΥΣ above, ΕΡΜΙΠΠΟΣ in exergue. Seaby II 4720 [Sear, D., <i>Greek Coins and their Values, Vol. II, Asia & Africa</i> (Seaby 1979), at p. 430 (ill.)]; BMC 22 Lydia 16 [Head, B.V. <i>A Catalogue of Greek Coins in the British Museum, Lydia</i> (London 1901) at p. 189]; SNG Von Aulock II 3057 [<i>Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Deutschland, Sammlung Hans Von Aulock, Vol. 2: Caria, Lydia, Phrygia, Lycia, Pamphylia</i> (Berlin 1962)]; SNG Copenhagen 340 [<i>Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Copenhagen, The Royal Collection of Coins and Medals, Danish National Museum, Part 27, Lydia Part 1</i> (Copenhagen 1947)]; Imhoof-Blumer 8 [Imhoof-Blumer, Friedrich, <i>Lydische Stadtmünzen, neue Untersuchungen</i> (Leipzig 1897) at pp. 114-115]; Mionnet IV No. 536 [Mionnet, Théodore E., <i>Description de Médailles antiques grecques et romaines, Vol. IV, Lydie</i> (Paris 1809) at p. 98]. 17 mm., 5.02 g. [With old collector’s envelope.]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1455108[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>* Father’s name known from other coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Dionysos also plays a supporting role on this coin:</p><p><br /></p><p>Lydia, Tralleis/Tralles, AR Cistophoric Tetradrachm, 78/77 BCE, Magistrate ΠTOΛ (Ptol-). Obv. Cista mystica with lid ajar and serpent emerging; all within ivy wreath / Rev. Bowcase (gorytos) with two serpents (one to left and one to right, heads at top); H [= date = Year 8 = 78/77 BCE, based on Year 1 of the Sullan era being 85/84 BCE*] over ΠTOΛ [PTOL] above, between serpents’ heads, TPAΛ [TRAL] in left field; <b>to right, Dionysos in short chiton standing facing,</b> head left, holding thyrsos in right hand and mask of Silenos in left hand<b>.</b> SNG Copenhagen 662-663 <i>var.</i> [different year] [<i>Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Copenhagen, The Royal Collection of Coins and Medals, Danish National Museum, Part 28, Lydia Part 2</i> (Copenhagen 1947)]; BMC 22 Lydia 46-48 (p. 333) <i>var.</i> [different years] [Head, B.V., <i>A Catalogue of Greek Coins in the British Museum, Vol. 22, Lydia</i> (London, 1901); SNG von Aulock 3262-3264 var. [different year] [<i>Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Deutschland, Sammlung Hans Von Aulock, Vol. 2: Caria, Lydia, Phrygia, Lycia, Pamphylia</i> (Berlin, 1962)]; Pinder 159 [same year -- “H”]; see also id. 157-158 [different years] [Pinder, M., <i>Über die Cistophoren und über die kaiserlichen Silbermedaillons der Römischen Provinz Asien </i>(Berlin, 1856) at pp. 565-566]. 24 mm., 12.64 g. [probably = 3 drachms, not 4], 1 h. Ex: CNG Auction 225 (13 Jan. 2010), Lot 144. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1455109[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Don't forget Liber, another Roman equivalent besides Bacchus. And then there are Silenus and Pan.</p><p><br /></p><p>Roman Republic, C. Vibius Varus, AR Denarius, 42 BCE, Rome Mint. Obv. Head of Bacchus (or Liber)* right, wearing earring and wreath of ivy and grapes / Rev. Spotted panther [leopard]springing left towards garlanded altar on top of which lies a bearded mask of Silenus or Pan**, and against which leans a thyrsus with fillet (ribbon); C • VIBIVS in exergue, VARVS upwards to right. Crawford 494/36, RSC I Vibia 24, Sear RCV I 496, Sear <i>Roman Imperators</i> 192 (ill. p. 116), Sydenham 1138, BMCRR 4295. 17 mm., 3.60 g. <i>Ex. Numismatica Ars Classica NAC AG, Auction 83, May 20, 2015, Lot 83; ex. Frank Sternberg Auction 17, Zurich, May 1986, Lot 519.</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>[ATTACH=full]1455106[/ATTACH] </i></p><p><br /></p><p>*The identification of the obverse head as Bacchus or Liber is essentially immaterial. See Jones, John Melville, <i>A Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins</i> (Seaby, London, 1990) at p. 33 (entry for “Bacchus”): “For the Romans . . . . [Bacchus] was generally identified with the Italian deity Liber, whose name is probably derived from the same root as the word ‘libation,’ suggesting that in Italy he was an earth or vegetation spirit who could be worshipped by pouring offerings upon the ground. . . . Bacchus appears rarely upon Roman imperial coins (and when he is given a name, he is called Liber). He is shown as a youthful male figure, nude or partly draped, perhaps with a wreath of ivy leaves. He may bear a thyrsus and be accompanied by Ariadne, a bacchant or maenad, or a panther.”</p><p><br /></p><p>**The mask has more frequently been identified with Pan than with Silenus, but because the moneyer’s branch of the gens Vibia lacks the cognomen “Pansa” (a reason for the appearance of Pan on the coins of moneyers with that cognomen, as a pun), Silenus appears to be a more likely identification, given the association of Silenus with Bacchus. See Jones, supra at p, 289, identifying Silenus as “[a]n elderly attendant of Bacchus.” See also id. at p. 234 (entry for “Pan”), noting that “[a] bearded head which appears on [the obverse of] a silver sestertius of T. Carisius [46 BC), with a reverse type of a panther bearing a thyrsus, has been identified as Pan but is more likely to be a Silenus, matching the Bacchic reverse type.”</p><p><br /></p><p>This guy is definitely Silenus:</p><p><br /></p><p>Hellenistic molded Pottery Mask of Silenos, ca. 3rd century BCE, grapevines in hair, traces of original black and white pigment. 5" H. <i>Purchased from Artemis Gallery, Colorado USA, May 31, 2011; ex. Collection of Harvey Sarner, Palm Springs, CA (1934-2007), acquired 1984</i>:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/hellenistic-pottery-mask-of-silenos-silenus-3rd-century-bce-jpg.1206155/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 8254741, member: 110350"]A wonderful idea for a thread, and some very nice coins! A Happy Bacchanalia to you. But please take my advice and avoid wandering in the woods at night for the next little while, lest you accidentally come upon a group of maenads in a frenzied state. The outcome would probably not be good for you. Here's a coin of Dionysos: Lydia, Philadelphia, AE 17, Late 2nd/Early 1st Centuries BCE, Hermippos, son of Hermogenes,* archiereus [magistrate]. Obv. Head of young Dionysos right, wearing ivy-wreath and band across forehead, [Φ]ΙΛΑΔΕΛΦΕ[ΩΝ] vertically behind / Rev. Spotted pantheress [leopard] walking left, with head turned back to right, cradling thyrsos bound with fillet (ribbon) against left shoulder, right foreleg raised; ΑΡΧΙΕΡ-ΕΥΣ above, ΕΡΜΙΠΠΟΣ in exergue. Seaby II 4720 [Sear, D., [I]Greek Coins and their Values, Vol. II, Asia & Africa[/I] (Seaby 1979), at p. 430 (ill.)]; BMC 22 Lydia 16 [Head, B.V. [I]A Catalogue of Greek Coins in the British Museum, Lydia[/I] (London 1901) at p. 189]; SNG Von Aulock II 3057 [[I]Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Deutschland, Sammlung Hans Von Aulock, Vol. 2: Caria, Lydia, Phrygia, Lycia, Pamphylia[/I] (Berlin 1962)]; SNG Copenhagen 340 [[I]Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Copenhagen, The Royal Collection of Coins and Medals, Danish National Museum, Part 27, Lydia Part 1[/I] (Copenhagen 1947)]; Imhoof-Blumer 8 [Imhoof-Blumer, Friedrich, [I]Lydische Stadtmünzen, neue Untersuchungen[/I] (Leipzig 1897) at pp. 114-115]; Mionnet IV No. 536 [Mionnet, Théodore E., [I]Description de Médailles antiques grecques et romaines, Vol. IV, Lydie[/I] (Paris 1809) at p. 98]. 17 mm., 5.02 g. [With old collector’s envelope.] [ATTACH=full]1455108[/ATTACH] * Father’s name known from other coins. Dionysos also plays a supporting role on this coin: Lydia, Tralleis/Tralles, AR Cistophoric Tetradrachm, 78/77 BCE, Magistrate ΠTOΛ (Ptol-). Obv. Cista mystica with lid ajar and serpent emerging; all within ivy wreath / Rev. Bowcase (gorytos) with two serpents (one to left and one to right, heads at top); H [= date = Year 8 = 78/77 BCE, based on Year 1 of the Sullan era being 85/84 BCE*] over ΠTOΛ [PTOL] above, between serpents’ heads, TPAΛ [TRAL] in left field; [B]to right, Dionysos in short chiton standing facing,[/B] head left, holding thyrsos in right hand and mask of Silenos in left hand[B].[/B] SNG Copenhagen 662-663 [I]var.[/I] [different year] [[I]Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Copenhagen, The Royal Collection of Coins and Medals, Danish National Museum, Part 28, Lydia Part 2[/I] (Copenhagen 1947)]; BMC 22 Lydia 46-48 (p. 333) [I]var.[/I] [different years] [Head, B.V., [I]A Catalogue of Greek Coins in the British Museum, Vol. 22, Lydia[/I] (London, 1901); SNG von Aulock 3262-3264 var. [different year] [[I]Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Deutschland, Sammlung Hans Von Aulock, Vol. 2: Caria, Lydia, Phrygia, Lycia, Pamphylia[/I] (Berlin, 1962)]; Pinder 159 [same year -- “H”]; see also id. 157-158 [different years] [Pinder, M., [I]Über die Cistophoren und über die kaiserlichen Silbermedaillons der Römischen Provinz Asien [/I](Berlin, 1856) at pp. 565-566]. 24 mm., 12.64 g. [probably = 3 drachms, not 4], 1 h. Ex: CNG Auction 225 (13 Jan. 2010), Lot 144. [ATTACH=full]1455109[/ATTACH] Don't forget Liber, another Roman equivalent besides Bacchus. And then there are Silenus and Pan. Roman Republic, C. Vibius Varus, AR Denarius, 42 BCE, Rome Mint. Obv. Head of Bacchus (or Liber)* right, wearing earring and wreath of ivy and grapes / Rev. Spotted panther [leopard]springing left towards garlanded altar on top of which lies a bearded mask of Silenus or Pan**, and against which leans a thyrsus with fillet (ribbon); C • VIBIVS in exergue, VARVS upwards to right. Crawford 494/36, RSC I Vibia 24, Sear RCV I 496, Sear [I]Roman Imperators[/I] 192 (ill. p. 116), Sydenham 1138, BMCRR 4295. 17 mm., 3.60 g. [I]Ex. Numismatica Ars Classica NAC AG, Auction 83, May 20, 2015, Lot 83; ex. Frank Sternberg Auction 17, Zurich, May 1986, Lot 519. [ATTACH=full]1455106[/ATTACH] [/I] *The identification of the obverse head as Bacchus or Liber is essentially immaterial. See Jones, John Melville, [I]A Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins[/I] (Seaby, London, 1990) at p. 33 (entry for “Bacchus”): “For the Romans . . . . [Bacchus] was generally identified with the Italian deity Liber, whose name is probably derived from the same root as the word ‘libation,’ suggesting that in Italy he was an earth or vegetation spirit who could be worshipped by pouring offerings upon the ground. . . . Bacchus appears rarely upon Roman imperial coins (and when he is given a name, he is called Liber). He is shown as a youthful male figure, nude or partly draped, perhaps with a wreath of ivy leaves. He may bear a thyrsus and be accompanied by Ariadne, a bacchant or maenad, or a panther.” **The mask has more frequently been identified with Pan than with Silenus, but because the moneyer’s branch of the gens Vibia lacks the cognomen “Pansa” (a reason for the appearance of Pan on the coins of moneyers with that cognomen, as a pun), Silenus appears to be a more likely identification, given the association of Silenus with Bacchus. See Jones, supra at p, 289, identifying Silenus as “[a]n elderly attendant of Bacchus.” See also id. at p. 234 (entry for “Pan”), noting that “[a] bearded head which appears on [the obverse of] a silver sestertius of T. Carisius [46 BC), with a reverse type of a panther bearing a thyrsus, has been identified as Pan but is more likely to be a Silenus, matching the Bacchic reverse type.” This guy is definitely Silenus: Hellenistic molded Pottery Mask of Silenos, ca. 3rd century BCE, grapevines in hair, traces of original black and white pigment. 5" H. [I]Purchased from Artemis Gallery, Colorado USA, May 31, 2011; ex. Collection of Harvey Sarner, Palm Springs, CA (1934-2007), acquired 1984[/I]: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/hellenistic-pottery-mask-of-silenos-silenus-3rd-century-bce-jpg.1206155/[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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