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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 1869904, member: 112&quot;]No, I never said that all. I am saying that &quot;good dealers&quot; price their coins fairly, not most dealers. I will readily agree that &quot;good dealers&quot; are far outnumbered. And I never said that I thought they priced their coins fairly based on my conversations with them either. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That is what I said based on my conversations with them, and only that. </p><p><br /></p><p>I say that good dealers price their coins fairly because of my experience with the coin market, because I know what a fair price is, or is not, and because I have seen their asking prices.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah I said that. But there&#039;s more to it than that too. I have also had countless conversations with other collectors in person at coin shows or at coin shops. And for some reason most collectors feel the need to haggle over prices with a coin dealer. My question is <b>why</b> they feel that need to begin with ? </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>No, I&#039;m not the only one who knows this. There are plenty of others who know it just as well as I do. But yeah I&#039;ll readily agree that we are a minority.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Some actually do exactly that. But collectors do have a duty, I&#039;d even say they have 2 duties - one to themselves, and another to the dealer. The duty to themselves is that they should know what they are doing before they do it. And the duty to the dealer is to treat him just as fairly, and considerately, as they want him to treat them.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is collectors responsibility to do his homework before he ever goes shopping for coins. And it doesn&#039;t matter if that shopping is at a coin show, in a shop, or on-line. And that homework entails more than just knowing what he wants to buy, it is also knowing, (it is his responsibility), what a fair price actually for a given coin actually is, and it also his responsibility to know what dealers are trustworthy and respected. To know, in advance, before he ever gets there, if he should be doing business with that dealer or not.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And many times they (the dealers) do exactly that.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Should a collector wear a sign around his neck or a sticker on his shirt saying - I like to haggle ? No, no more than dealer should be expected to have a sign at his table or in his shop or on his web site saying - I don&#039;t ever haggle. It&#039;s two way street Trey.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And that is the biggest flaw in your thinking. The collector is no more and no less important than the dealer. They are both equally important. And that is the point that collectors have to get through their heads. And they are equally important because each depends on the other to equal degree. Neither one can get what they want without the other. </p><p><br /></p><p>Auction houses are dealers, so are mail order firms. If you think you can get by just buying and selling among other collectors, give it a try sometime. You&#039;ll very quickly find out that you can&#039;t.</p><p><br /></p><p>And it has nothing to do with the dealers getting their feelings hurt. The point is what gives you the right to even think that you can haggle if you want to ? Like I said before, if you go to the 7-11, or Walmart, or a department store, or anywhere like that - do you ever, ever, try to haggle over prices ? Why not ? Now ask yourself WHY you do with coin dealers ? What makes them different ?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I never said anything even close to that. I said if you see <u>a fair price </u>then you should pay it. If you see something is over-priced then of course you should walk away. And I said it is YOUR responsibility to KNOW a fair price when you see one. Conversely it is also true to know when is not fair when you see it. I never once said, or even remotely implied, that you should just accept that a price is not fair.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>If you don&#039;t agree with the grade, and the asking price is not fair for that grade, then you should just walk away. Again, by offering a counter-offer you are assuming that you have the right to haggle. Why ? You don&#039;t have that right with any other business, why do you have it with a coin dealer ? Are coin dealers for some reason not deserving of the same respect that you readily and willingly give to other businesses ? That&#039;s what all this is about - respect. Collectors expect, even demand that dealers give them respect. Are they not worthy of yours in return ?</p><p><br /></p><p>There are 10 more coins at 10 different places just like the one you are looking at. And most of them will be at different prices, some better some worse.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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