Tiberius portrait ID help

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  1. Steelers72

    Steelers72 Well-Known Member

    Lovely looking coin, with a fine style life like portrait in my opinion.
    Looks to be the footstool type RSC16a, but would appreciate confirmation if anyone can

    Tiberius. 14-37 AD. AR. Denarius. Rome. Ti Caesar Divi Augustus facing right. Rev: Livia as Pax facing right, olive branch in left, sceptre in right. Ornate chair legs with feet on footstool. RSC 16a. 6D4AEBBC-77D1-45AA-8DC2-97C8B101496F.jpeg
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  3. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Nice Tiberius denarius, and of good style.

    I am unfamiliar with RIC and RSC numbering for the denarius. Waiting to hear from others. Here is one in my collection. Have to sacrifice some obverse legend for a clearer reverse.
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  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Yes, that is indeed RSC 16a, RIC 30, BMC 48.

    Here is RSC 16b, with the inverted spear instead of a scepter:

    Tiberius, AD 14-37.
    Roman AR Denarius, 3.87 g, 18.5 mm, 5 h.
    Lugdunum, AD 16-37.
    Obv: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGVSTVS, laureate head, right.
    Rev: PONTIF MAXIM, Female figure seated right, holding long olive branch and inverted spear; legs of chair ornate, triple line below.
    Refs: RIC 28; BMCRE 42-44; RSC 16b; RCV 1763 var.
    Notes: The identity of the female figure on the reverse is uncertain and has been variously identified as Livia, Justitia or Pax.
  5. Aetius

    Aetius Member

    RIC 30

    Got this back in April, loved the menacing portrait!

    Tiberius Denarius.jpg
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  7. TIF

    TIF Well that didn't last long :D Supporter

    I agree with @Roman Collector (agreeing with RC is always a smart move and safe bet :D). That really is an exceptional example of the type! Fine style on both sides, in my opinion :).
  8. Steelers72

    Steelers72 Well-Known Member

    thanks for confirming the RSC. And very nice 16b!
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  9. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    @Steelers72, I have the same type that you do. Not a great reverse, but I like the obverse portrait:

    Tiberius AR Denarius, AD 18-35, Lugdunum (Lyons) Mint, “Tribute Penny.” Obv. TI CAESAR DIVI AVG AVGVSTVS, Laureate head right/ Rev. PONTIF MAXIM, Livia, as Pax, holding long sceptre & olive branch, seated right on throne with ornate legs, her feet resting on low footstool, single line below. RIC I 30, RSC II 16a, Sear RCV I 1763, Giard Lyon, group 4, 150 [see https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tribute penny]. 19 mm., 3.82 g. Toned Very Fine. Ex: Tom Cederlind Sale 86 (1989), 305; Ex: JMB collection; Ex: Kirk Davis, Cat # 72, Fall 2018, Lot 80.

    Tiberius denarius jpg version.jpg

    For anyone else who want to figure out what type of "Tribute Penny" they have, I do recommend taking a look at the description at the NumisWiki link above of the Giard Lyon type analysis. [From Giard, J-B., et al., Le Monnayage de L 'atelier de Lyon. 2 volumes. (Wetteren, 1983 & 2000)]. This is what is said about Type 4, specifically citing RIC I 30, RSC II 16a:

    https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tribute penny

    Group 4, c. 18 - 35 A.D.
    Obverse: Same as group 2.
    Reverse: No base under the throne (just the single exergual line), Pax usually holds scepter (or rarely a reversed spear), her feet rest on a low footstool.
    Aureus: Giard Lyon, group 4, 149; RIC I 29 (R); BMCRE I 46; Calico 305b (S.1); Cohen 15; SRCV I 1760 - Rare 56930
    Denarius: Giard Lyon, group 4, 150; RIC I 30 (C); BMCRE I 48; RSC II 16a; SRCV I 1763 - Common (approximately half of all Tiberius denarii are this type). [Illustrations omitted.]
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2020
  10. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Supporter! Supporter

    Great toning, strike and fine style (IMO)...
    Is it yours or are you looking for feedback prior to purchasing?
  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Thank you for that link to the Giard Lyon groups, @DonnaML ! Very interesting and helpful.
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