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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2564354, member: 56859"]Recently there was an auction with many coins from the Dattari collection. Being a collector of Roman Egyptian coins, I was thrilled. All were plate coins and many or most were rarities, although not in particularly stellar condition. The condition wasn't terribly important to me-- I've certainly happily bought many Roman Egyptian coins in much worse condition <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.</p><p><br /></p><p>I wanted all of them but obviously that wasn't possible. After making a spreadsheet and keeping track of prebidding every few days, I narrowed the list. The auction was brutal. Perhaps I should have bid higher on some of the earlier coins of high interest but it was difficult when there were later coins of even higher interest. In the end I had bid on seventeen coins and won only three, none of which were from my top tier of choices. I had intended to bid on only 3-5, depending on the hammers, but kept adding more and more lower tier coins as bid after bid failed.</p><p><br /></p><p>The coin shown below wasn't even on my whittled bid list. It was the first Dattari lot of the sale and there was only one bid. At the last second I decided to toss in a bid. Later I was glad I did because for a while it looked like it might be my only win. The hippopotamus obol is the most common of Tiberius's obols. Numerous better examples exist but what can I say-- I'm a sucker for the pedigree and I didn't have any Alexandrian coins of Tiberius <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This coin was comparatively inexpensive, hammering just one increment above opening. Because of this I was very optimistic about winning many more. The action grew steadily after that and I was almost shut out. Maybe other bidders were a few lots late to the auction when the Dattari coins hit the block.</p><p><br /></p><p>As is often the case, the coin is better in hand than it was in the auction house images. The color is accurate. There are dark red concretions on the coin and the fields are dark brown.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]553274[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>EGYPT, Alexandria. Tiberius</b></p><p>Year 5, CE 18/9</p><p>AE obol, 20 mm, 4.45 gm</p><p>Obv: bare head right</p><p>Rev: hippopotamus right; TIBEPIoY above; [L] E in exergue</p><p>Ref: Emmett 62.5, R1; Geissen 47; Dattari-Savio 102 (this coin); RPC 5082</p><p><i>ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Giovanni Dattari's personal history is surprisingly scanty. Born in Livorno, Italy (1858), at some point his family moved to Egypt where he became enamored of Egyptian antiquities and ancient numismatics. He began collecting coins in 1891. By 1894 he had 2,602 coins, growing to 6,835 Alexandrians, 91 archaic Greek, 230 Alexander the Great, 910 Ptolemaic, 19,320 Roman coins, and 630 lead and silver coins by 1903. By 1913 those numbers more than doubled. ([USER=76194]@Sallent[/USER] and others-- next time your spouses raise an eyebrow at your rate of acquisition, show them how frugal you are compared to Dattari <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />)</p><p><br /></p><p>Part of Dattari's collection may have been sold or donated while he was alive but in July 1951 his daughter offered donation of the remaining collection to the Italian state. The Italians procrastinated in completing the paperwork and the offer was withdrawn after the Egyptian army seized power and forced King Farouk into exile in July 1952. The chance to keep this astounding collection together in one place was thereby lost, and the collection was dispersed on the European market around 1970.</p><p><br /></p><p>In 1901 his collection was published and although it was not a sophisticated book, it because a standard reference for Roman Egyptian numismatics, containing 6,580 coins. In 1999 Adriano Savio compiled a markedly expanded catalog of Dattari coins. The second edition of this book (2007) contains yet more "new" coins: 31 additional plates showing 701 Alexandrian coins that Dattari evidently acquired after making the rubbings of his coins that are published in the first edition. The 2007 book shows more than 13,000 coins!</p><p><br /></p><p>The quality of the images is poor. The photographs are mostly of rubbings, which is how Dattari visually recorded the collection. Correlating a modern image with a Dattari plate coin can be challenging because many of the usual diagnostic features may not be visible in the rubbings (flan cracks, for example). The assembled plates have numbers and various notes, such as checkmarks as seen below.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]553303[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Savio, Adriano. <b>Numi Augg. Alexandrini: Catalogo della Collezione Dattari.</b></p><p>Published by Bernardi, Trieste, 2007. Limited edition of 250.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]553322[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Example of the original plates:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]553323[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Example of the plates added in the 2007 edition:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]553324[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>...</p><p><br /></p><p>Please feel free to post any Roman Egyptian coins you wish to show or plate coins of any types (preferably with a picture of the book plate <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2564354, member: 56859"]Recently there was an auction with many coins from the Dattari collection. Being a collector of Roman Egyptian coins, I was thrilled. All were plate coins and many or most were rarities, although not in particularly stellar condition. The condition wasn't terribly important to me-- I've certainly happily bought many Roman Egyptian coins in much worse condition :D. I wanted all of them but obviously that wasn't possible. After making a spreadsheet and keeping track of prebidding every few days, I narrowed the list. The auction was brutal. Perhaps I should have bid higher on some of the earlier coins of high interest but it was difficult when there were later coins of even higher interest. In the end I had bid on seventeen coins and won only three, none of which were from my top tier of choices. I had intended to bid on only 3-5, depending on the hammers, but kept adding more and more lower tier coins as bid after bid failed. The coin shown below wasn't even on my whittled bid list. It was the first Dattari lot of the sale and there was only one bid. At the last second I decided to toss in a bid. Later I was glad I did because for a while it looked like it might be my only win. The hippopotamus obol is the most common of Tiberius's obols. Numerous better examples exist but what can I say-- I'm a sucker for the pedigree and I didn't have any Alexandrian coins of Tiberius :) This coin was comparatively inexpensive, hammering just one increment above opening. Because of this I was very optimistic about winning many more. The action grew steadily after that and I was almost shut out. Maybe other bidders were a few lots late to the auction when the Dattari coins hit the block. As is often the case, the coin is better in hand than it was in the auction house images. The color is accurate. There are dark red concretions on the coin and the fields are dark brown. [ATTACH=full]553274[/ATTACH] [B]EGYPT, Alexandria. Tiberius[/B] Year 5, CE 18/9 AE obol, 20 mm, 4.45 gm Obv: bare head right Rev: hippopotamus right; TIBEPIoY above; [L] E in exergue Ref: Emmett 62.5, R1; Geissen 47; Dattari-Savio 102 (this coin); RPC 5082 [I]ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)[/I] Giovanni Dattari's personal history is surprisingly scanty. Born in Livorno, Italy (1858), at some point his family moved to Egypt where he became enamored of Egyptian antiquities and ancient numismatics. He began collecting coins in 1891. By 1894 he had 2,602 coins, growing to 6,835 Alexandrians, 91 archaic Greek, 230 Alexander the Great, 910 Ptolemaic, 19,320 Roman coins, and 630 lead and silver coins by 1903. By 1913 those numbers more than doubled. ([USER=76194]@Sallent[/USER] and others-- next time your spouses raise an eyebrow at your rate of acquisition, show them how frugal you are compared to Dattari :D) Part of Dattari's collection may have been sold or donated while he was alive but in July 1951 his daughter offered donation of the remaining collection to the Italian state. The Italians procrastinated in completing the paperwork and the offer was withdrawn after the Egyptian army seized power and forced King Farouk into exile in July 1952. The chance to keep this astounding collection together in one place was thereby lost, and the collection was dispersed on the European market around 1970. In 1901 his collection was published and although it was not a sophisticated book, it because a standard reference for Roman Egyptian numismatics, containing 6,580 coins. In 1999 Adriano Savio compiled a markedly expanded catalog of Dattari coins. The second edition of this book (2007) contains yet more "new" coins: 31 additional plates showing 701 Alexandrian coins that Dattari evidently acquired after making the rubbings of his coins that are published in the first edition. The 2007 book shows more than 13,000 coins! The quality of the images is poor. The photographs are mostly of rubbings, which is how Dattari visually recorded the collection. Correlating a modern image with a Dattari plate coin can be challenging because many of the usual diagnostic features may not be visible in the rubbings (flan cracks, for example). The assembled plates have numbers and various notes, such as checkmarks as seen below. [CENTER][ATTACH=full]553303[/ATTACH][/CENTER] Savio, Adriano. [B]Numi Augg. Alexandrini: Catalogo della Collezione Dattari.[/B] Published by Bernardi, Trieste, 2007. Limited edition of 250. [ATTACH=full]553322[/ATTACH] Example of the original plates: [ATTACH=full]553323[/ATTACH] Example of the plates added in the 2007 edition: [ATTACH=full]553324[/ATTACH] ... Please feel free to post any Roman Egyptian coins you wish to show or plate coins of any types (preferably with a picture of the book plate :)).[/QUOTE]
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