Tiberius II Constantine 574-582 AD

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  1. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Number 12 for my small Byzantine collection. They all have a 40 Nummi value, big is beautifull


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    please show your Tiberius II coins
     
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  3. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    That's a nice looking coin. I'm like you. I mostly only collect 40 nummus coins. I don't collect the 20 nummus, or 10 nummus, or 5 nummus. I like to see, how the 40 nummus changed in size, over the years. However, I have a 1 nummus coin, from the reign of Anastasius I, before the creation of the 40 nummus, 20 nummus, etc. I was hoping to get a Tiberius II coin, but I settled for a Maurice Tiberius, because they are much more common, and the Maurice Tiberius coins look similar to the Tiberius II coins, and I found one that I liked. Maybe someday I'll get a Tiberius II.
     
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  4. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    sand, There are 40 Nummi coins from Anastatius I , heres mine:

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  5. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    Here are photos, of my Maurice Tiberius 40 nummus coin.
    Note how similar it looks, to a Tiberius II 40 nummus coin. The legends on these coins, were often blundered, which makes it difficult, to tell them apart. Also, some Maurice Tiberius 40 nummus coins, Sear 532, have a lowercase "m" on the reverse, just like the Tiberius II 40 nummus coins. This is what mine has. On the other hand, Maurice Tiberius coins of Sear 533, have an uppercase "M" on the reverse.
    The main difference, between Tiberius II 40 nummus coins, versus Maurice Tiberius 40 nummus coins, is on the obverse. For Tiberius II, the Emperor's crown, has a cross on top. For Maurice Tiberius, the Emperor's crown, has a trefoil on top.
    In fact, the seller misattributed my coin, probably accidentally, as a Tiberius II coin, and I was fooled. I just now remembered, that I was fooled, when I just now looked at the seller description, of the coin. That's funny, how I had blocked that out of my mind. That's okay. I still like the coin.
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    Maurice Tiberius 40 Nummus. Sear 532. Minted during regnal year 3, which was approximately 585 AD. Minted in Antioch, which was also called "Theoupolis". Diameter = 28 mm. Weight = 12.7 grams.
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  6. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    That is a nice Anastasius I 40 nummus. I like my Anastasius I nummus coin, because it is part of my collection, of 5th century Roman small bronze coins.
    However, I have also been searching, and waiting, for a long time, for a nice Anastasius I 40 nummus coin.
     
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  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Anastasius Dicorus, 491-518 A.D.

    Type: Large AE Follis, 39 mm 19 grams

    Obverse: DN ANASTASIVS PP AVG, Diademed draped and Cuirassed bust right, star on right shoulder (rare)

    Reverse: Large M, Epsilon below. Cross above M, star in left field, Mintmark CON

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    He was called Dicorus because he had one blue eye and one brown eye
     
  8. Hamilcar Barca

    Hamilcar Barca Well-Known Member

    Here is my contribution. Seem to have lost my notes on it:
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  9. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums Supporter

    Tiberius is puckerin' up on mine:

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    BTW, pretty sure that's a stigma=6, not a Ч(V) on the reverse for the year, so that would make yours year 8 (and mine year 7). Interestingly, Tiberius was Caesar for 4 years as regent for Justin II, and his first coins are dated year 4. Yours is from 581/2, his last year.
     
  10. Hrefn

    Hrefn Well-Known Member

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    Tiberius II seems to have been a truly estimable character. Even Gibbon of Decline and Fall seems to have liked him.
    I recall reading somewhere that he had the True Cross adorned with gold and jewels, and I wonder if the coin on the right is a reference to this. He also remitted taxes, gave away 7,200,000 gold solidi each year he reigned, and was effective both militarily and diplomatically. Most impressively, he refused to divorce his wife and marry the previous emperor’s widow, although that would have helped secure his hold on the throne. She conspired with a disgruntled general to seize power, but failed. Tiberius forgave them both.
     
  11. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    Here are a few 30 nummia of Tiberius II.

    Constantinople, 578-82. 12.18 gr. 33 mm. 6h
    Obv: δm TIЬ CONS - TANT P P AVC, crowned and cuirassed bust facing, wearing cross and chlamys.
    Rev: XXX; cross above; in exergue, CONΓ.
    Sear 432; DO 15d; H. 27; BM 40; R. 940
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    Nicomedia, 578-82. 12.84 gr. 36 mm. 6h
    Obv: δm TIЬ CONS – TAN[T PP] AVC, crowned and cuirassed bust facing, wearing cross and chlamys.
    Rev: XXX; cross above; in exergue, NIKOB
    Sear 442; H. 36; BM 72
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    Cyzicus, 579-82. 12.45 gr. 33 mm. 6h
    Obv: δm TIЬ CONS – TANT PP AVC, crowned and cuirassed bust facing, wearing cross and chlamys.
    Rev: XXX; cross above; in exergue, KYZA
    Sear 445; DO 37a; H.42 ; BM 79
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    Antioch, 579-82. 9.20 gr. 28 mm. 6h
    Obv: δm TЬЬ CO - NSTANT PP, crowned and cuirassed bust facing, wearing cross and chlamys.
    Rev: XXX; cross above; in exergue, tHEЧP
    Sear 449; H. 48; BM 107. Same obverse die as BM 107.
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  12. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    On many occasions the ancients reformed their coins. The reform of Tiberius II is one you almost never read about, but it must have existed. His predecessor Justin II became insane and unable to rule. Sophia and Tiberius II ruled in his stead for his last four years, so when Justin II died Tiberius II reckoned his regnal years from 5 (He had only a few coins from year 4). They were much larger than immediately previous coins.

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    37 mm. That's large! 16.30 grams.
    Year 5 = 578/9.
    Sear 430. MIBE Tiberius II 25. DO Tiberius II 11.

    As is all too usual, the size of the reformed coins decreased year by year. Year 5 is the year that has very large pieces.
     
  13. Hrefn

    Hrefn Well-Known Member

    Here is Tiberius II on his consular solidus. upload_2021-7-15_9-36-12.jpeg upload_2021-7-15_9-37-30.jpeg

    The obverse legend is CONSTANT AUG VIV FELIX, the reverse VICTOR TIBERI AUG. It is curious that the “U” and “V” ‘s have been replaced with upsilons. Clearly a Greek speaking die engraver.

    A quick perusal of a couple of online data bases show the consular solidi all use upsilon, with one exception sold by CNG which appears to me to be a mule. The consular obverse is paired with the standard reverse, and the lettering of the reverse die is all appropriate Latin style. CNG cited references to two similar coins, both holed and plugged.

    Which makes me wonder, how many of the consular solidi of Tiberius II have survived? My estimates of the population of Byzantine gold coins is entirely impressionistic. We know many of them were struck in the millions. Some are still common, such as most of the issues of Heraclius from Constantinople. But how many consular solidi of Tiberius II are in the coin market? Fifty? One hundred? A thousand? I have no idea.

    Please feel free to post your wild guess.
     
  14. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    One of the more Romanesque coinage in the Byzantine series.

    Byzantine Empire: Tiberius II Constantine (578-582) Æ Follis, Constantinople, RY 6 (Sear 430; DOC 1c; MIBE 25)
    Obv: Crowned facing bust of Tiberius II Constantine, wearing consular robes, holding mappa and eagle-tipped scepter
    Rev: Large M between A/N/N/O and Ч; above, cross; in exergue, CONΓ
    Dim: 35 mm, 16.70 g, 12 h

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  15. sand

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  16. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    @Valentinian, a great one! Here's one of mine.
    38 mm. 16.97 gr 6h
    year 5, as yours. First officina. Sear 430; H. 25; DO 11a.
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  17. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    @Voulgaroktonou That's a very nice example, and the largest Tiberius II, that I have seen, although @Valentinian's is almost as large. I hadn't realized, that Tiberius II 40 nummus regnal year 5 coins were so large.
     
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  18. dougsmit

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    Year 4 Antioch 15.6g SB447 (listed for B or Γ - which is this???) ex Francis Rath, 1990
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    Year 8 Constantinople 12.72g
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  19. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    @dougsmit Your Sear 447 is an example of an interesting type. It is one of the Tiberius II 40 nummus coins, which has an uppercase "M" on the reverse. Also, on the obverse, the Emperor is holding a globus cruciger and a shield, rather than a mappa and an eagle tipped scepter. Also, the Emperor is wearing a cuirass, rather than consular robes. Also, it has regnal year 4, shown as II over II.
    For Sear 447, the officina letter is underneath the uppercase "M" on the reverse. In Sear, it says, that the officinae for Sear 447 were beta, gamma, delta, and epsilon. On your coin, the officina letter is very blurry. Maybe it's a beta. Or maybe it's a gamma. Or maybe it's an epsilon. I can't tell.
    I didn't find any photos of Sear 447 in Sear, Grierson, or Dumbarton Oaks. However, I searched ACsearch for the following :
    tiberius 447
    and I found the following 2 photos of examples of Sear 447. The 1st example has a nice, clear gamma officina letter, underneath the uppercase "M" on the reverse. The 2nd example has a blurry officina letter, which is called beta in the description :
    1. https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1285184
    2. https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=225895
    Note that, most Tiberius II 40 nummus coins, have regnal years 5, 6, 7, and 8. However, some have regnal year 4, shown as II over II, such as Sear 447.
    Sear 466 seems to be a unique type, in that it is a Tiberius II 40 nummus, which sometimes has regnal year II.
    There seem to be no regnal year I, and no regnal year III, for Tiberius II 40 nummus coins.
    So if a coin, which looks like a Tiberius II 40 nummus coin, has regnal year I, or regnal year III, then probably it is a Maurice Tiberius 40 nummus coin.
    Looking at various dealer listings, I see many Maurice Tiberius 40 nummus coins, which are misattributed as Tiberius II 40 nummus coins. The trefoil on top of the crown, and/or the regnal year, give them away.
     
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  20. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I have always thought that the cross/trefoil was a good indicator. Of course there are many coins which have poor condition preventing our seeing which is not there. Are you aware of any coin considered by experts to has a cross on Maurice or a trefoil on Tiberius? I do not. The other clue I feel helps when a coin has a poor crown is that the letters TIB tend to be on the left for Tiberius and on the right for Maurice. Coins with no hat and no legend??? I don't buy those.
     
  21. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    A year 4 from Nicomedia with capital M:
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    Tiberius II Constantine. 578-582 AD. Æ Follis (31mm). Nicomedia mint, 1st officina. Dated RY 4 (578/9 AD). Obv: Crowned facing bust, holding globus-cruciger and shield. Rev: Large M; cross above; A below; II/II to right; NIKO in exergue. DOC 27b; SB 440
     
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