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<p>[QUOTE="Dansco_Dude, post: 24822966, member: 147679"]It's a good question. I would say initially yes, I do want Numi to consistently give grading estimates that are in line with TPGs today. I struggle to see the numismatic world moving away from the Sheldon Scale anytime soon. NGC is trying to mimic the card-collecting scoring system via <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/ngcx-10-point-grading-scale" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/ngcx-10-point-grading-scale" rel="nofollow">NGCX</a> to make coin collecting easier to approach for new collectors. But my sense is that NGCX hasn't picked up adoption since the Sheldon Scale is so entrenched. And in reality, has just added more confusion to the marketplace.</p><p><br /></p><p>I also don't see AI grading as replacing TPGs with its own grading criteria. At least not anytime in the near future. Rather AI grading apps like Numi would be an initial tool used to see if it may make sense to ultimately send a coin in to the TPG. So for now, I'd argue the quickest way for AI apps like Numi to assist coin collectors is to remain in line with the TPG standards.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>A key expectation I try to lay out with Numi is that it should be considered a preliminary opinion or grading sanity check for collectors. Basically a second grading opinion [the first opinion being the collectors] before they send it to the TPGs. In order for Numi to be valuable to collectors, I'll first have to adjust it to be as accurate as much as the model allows. It's entirely possible the GPT4 model is currently too weak, but I feel I have not hit that barrier yet given the progress I've made and the increased accuracy I've seen.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I'd argue that those feelings of remorse or feeling shafted already happen today with the results folks have gotten from the TPGs <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>The difference is that with AI grading [assuming AI becomes powerful and accurate enough], collectors would get grading results immediately. Before they had to sign up for TPG membership, pay submission fees, and wait months for the results as they have to today. As long as AI app like Numi can lower the barrier to knowledge for collectors, be it with grading, identification, or general access to information, then it will make coin collecting more approachable and is worth the effort to investigate AI as a solution.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In case you are curious, here are the grading standards from the TPGs I based Numi's grading criteria off of</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.pcgs.com/resources/pdf/PCGSGradingStandards.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/resources/pdf/PCGSGradingStandards.pdf" rel="nofollow">PCGS</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-scale/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-scale/" rel="nofollow">NGC</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Dansco_Dude, post: 24822966, member: 147679"]It's a good question. I would say initially yes, I do want Numi to consistently give grading estimates that are in line with TPGs today. I struggle to see the numismatic world moving away from the Sheldon Scale anytime soon. NGC is trying to mimic the card-collecting scoring system via [URL='https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/ngcx-10-point-grading-scale']NGCX[/URL] to make coin collecting easier to approach for new collectors. But my sense is that NGCX hasn't picked up adoption since the Sheldon Scale is so entrenched. And in reality, has just added more confusion to the marketplace. I also don't see AI grading as replacing TPGs with its own grading criteria. At least not anytime in the near future. Rather AI grading apps like Numi would be an initial tool used to see if it may make sense to ultimately send a coin in to the TPG. So for now, I'd argue the quickest way for AI apps like Numi to assist coin collectors is to remain in line with the TPG standards. A key expectation I try to lay out with Numi is that it should be considered a preliminary opinion or grading sanity check for collectors. Basically a second grading opinion [the first opinion being the collectors] before they send it to the TPGs. In order for Numi to be valuable to collectors, I'll first have to adjust it to be as accurate as much as the model allows. It's entirely possible the GPT4 model is currently too weak, but I feel I have not hit that barrier yet given the progress I've made and the increased accuracy I've seen. I'd argue that those feelings of remorse or feeling shafted already happen today with the results folks have gotten from the TPGs :) The difference is that with AI grading [assuming AI becomes powerful and accurate enough], collectors would get grading results immediately. Before they had to sign up for TPG membership, pay submission fees, and wait months for the results as they have to today. As long as AI app like Numi can lower the barrier to knowledge for collectors, be it with grading, identification, or general access to information, then it will make coin collecting more approachable and is worth the effort to investigate AI as a solution. In case you are curious, here are the grading standards from the TPGs I based Numi's grading criteria off of [URL='https://www.pcgs.com/resources/pdf/PCGSGradingStandards.pdf']PCGS[/URL] [URL='https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-scale/']NGC[/URL][/QUOTE]
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