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<p>[QUOTE="gmarguli, post: 26769913, member: 246"]1/4/6) You're saying demand is increasing. Isn't that a good thing? Increased demand means prices go up. I collect because I enjoy it, but it is an investment. No way would I invest so much money into it if I thought when I'd sell I'd get the same or less. </p><p><br /></p><p>2) Highly annoying as it looks like greed, but not really a threat to our hobby. Buyers deduct the BP from their bid and sellers get a higher percentage of hammer. It's a wash.</p><p><br /></p><p>3) Yes, hurting the hobby. I started in the 80's and I used to see kids putting together sets of Walker 50c and they'd pay $4-$5 each. Morgan/Peace $1 were $7-$9 each. A kid on an allowance was able to get a bunch of cool coins including new US Mint products. Today there is $25 in silver in the 50c, $50 in the $1, and a proof Silver Eagle from the mint will cost you a kidney. Even super common Roosevelt 10c have $5 in silver in them. No way a kid can enter the hobby and get a bunch of cool coins on a typical allowance.</p><p><br /></p><p>5) Basically meaningless. My experience with "cultural property" in EU countries is that the item may not be exported from one country, but has free ability to be moved to another EU country that doesn't have the restriction. I had one dealer literally tell me that he couldn't send me the item from his country as it was restricted, but not to worry as he goes next door (another country) once a month to mail from there. </p><p><br /></p><p>7) This isn't 1989 Wall Street. I doubt there are a lot of speculators pumping this market. </p><p><br /></p><p>8) I agree moderns are awful, but there is clearly a large segment of the market that likes them. Every mint is producing this garbage, but it clearly sells. </p><p><br /></p><p>9) It just changes what and where you buy. These fees have always been there.</p><p><br /></p><p>10) I think everyone feels that was in every hobby. However, we're not competing with the "elites" for most coins. We're not two billionaires going after the 1804 $1. We're competing with people of similar means. </p><p><br /></p><p>I believe the TPG are harming the hobby. </p><ul> <li>While they did a lot of good helping remove counterfeits and problem coins from being sold as genuine and pristine, the fact that now every coin "needs to be in a slab" is infuriating. </li> <li>The vast majority of collectors can't grade. </li> <li>Many (most?) dealers aren't good at grading. </li> <li>The TPG have become greedy with pricing. </li> <li>The TPG don't stand behind their guarantees like they used to.</li> <li>Their quality of graders has clearly worsened over the years. </li> <li>And there are literally millions of modern coins in slabs that never should have been there. Do we really need 25 MILLION Silver Eagles professionally graded? </li> </ul><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gmarguli, post: 26769913, member: 246"]1/4/6) You're saying demand is increasing. Isn't that a good thing? Increased demand means prices go up. I collect because I enjoy it, but it is an investment. No way would I invest so much money into it if I thought when I'd sell I'd get the same or less. 2) Highly annoying as it looks like greed, but not really a threat to our hobby. Buyers deduct the BP from their bid and sellers get a higher percentage of hammer. It's a wash. 3) Yes, hurting the hobby. I started in the 80's and I used to see kids putting together sets of Walker 50c and they'd pay $4-$5 each. Morgan/Peace $1 were $7-$9 each. A kid on an allowance was able to get a bunch of cool coins including new US Mint products. Today there is $25 in silver in the 50c, $50 in the $1, and a proof Silver Eagle from the mint will cost you a kidney. Even super common Roosevelt 10c have $5 in silver in them. No way a kid can enter the hobby and get a bunch of cool coins on a typical allowance. 5) Basically meaningless. My experience with "cultural property" in EU countries is that the item may not be exported from one country, but has free ability to be moved to another EU country that doesn't have the restriction. I had one dealer literally tell me that he couldn't send me the item from his country as it was restricted, but not to worry as he goes next door (another country) once a month to mail from there. 7) This isn't 1989 Wall Street. I doubt there are a lot of speculators pumping this market. 8) I agree moderns are awful, but there is clearly a large segment of the market that likes them. Every mint is producing this garbage, but it clearly sells. 9) It just changes what and where you buy. These fees have always been there. 10) I think everyone feels that was in every hobby. However, we're not competing with the "elites" for most coins. We're not two billionaires going after the 1804 $1. We're competing with people of similar means. I believe the TPG are harming the hobby. [LIST] [*]While they did a lot of good helping remove counterfeits and problem coins from being sold as genuine and pristine, the fact that now every coin "needs to be in a slab" is infuriating. [*]The vast majority of collectors can't grade. [*]Many (most?) dealers aren't good at grading. [*]The TPG have become greedy with pricing. [*]The TPG don't stand behind their guarantees like they used to. [*]Their quality of graders has clearly worsened over the years. [*]And there are literally millions of modern coins in slabs that never should have been there. Do we really need 25 MILLION Silver Eagles professionally graded? [/LIST][/QUOTE]
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