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Message:: [QUOTE="GoldFinger1969, post: 2095237, member: 73489"]But GD, I don't think the original ANA standards or the TPGs ever clearly deliniated a fine line between the 'wear' of bag marks (a specific unique type that you can presumably only get once you are put in a bag off the mint) and CIRCULATION wear. As someone hear said, we really have 2 grading systems:  1-58 for circulated coins, MS60-70 for uncirculated. Wait -- if the 'wear' in the mint building happened in the mint bags, you just said it isn't wear even if it's in the mint bag and outside the mint building. Well, you have a point here -- I see where you are coming from. But I think the overwhelming majoriy of collectors and numsimatists in the 1980's when the TPGs came into prominence were comfortable with a flexible interpretation of how to grade. Maybe it was right.  Maybe it was wrong.  I dunno. All I can say is, as someone who has re-immersed himself in the hobby the last few years, while I am troubled by The Resubmission Game, and the Franklin Quarter Thread @ CU, and other extreme examples of inconsistencies, I repeat: The far greater threat is counterfeit coins and counterfeit slabs and maybe the proliferation of new mint products which are also graded and mimic the proliferation of the 10-fold increase in baseball cards between 1986 and 1994 that effectively killed that hobby.[/QUOTE]