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Message:: [QUOTE="eddiespin, post: 2094164, member: 4920"]Call it whatever you want that may keep you in your comfort zone but the reality is the coin is in an inferior state of preservation for it and to overlook that reality is to play head games with the condition of the coin. Look, maybe you and the Morgandudester misunderstand. I'm not trying to hold back these coins with wear from their place in the market. Call the Saint with the AU58 wear AU64 and at least you're giving the unsuspecting public an honest shake of the dice for their money by informing them of the reality there's wear on that coin. You call it MS64, you're deceiving that bunch. You don't know where any wear came from, anyway, let's address and get that out of the way. In addition, to judge the coin's grade as though you do know is antithetical to another fundamental principle of grading, that being to take all your bearings strictly off the face of the coin. Extrinsic evidence isn't how you grade. You grade coins with your eyes, not with your mind's eye. When grades start depending on the credibility of witnesses (i.e., it's cabinet friction because I say so; it's NT because I say so), that's a pretty darn pretentious road to go down for one's money, as it's always open to impeachment. Look, I'm getting tired of this. Tell me about this tangent of yours. Let's go there, why do you want to know?[/QUOTE]