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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 2093635, member: 15309&quot;]No doubt that you are not most people, only Doug is as rigid and unyielding as you, slaves to a world of black and white, determined with all your might, not to ever see the grey areas.</p><p><br /></p><p>When they left the presses, no, they did not start like that.&nbsp; But then again, they did not have a single bag mark either.&nbsp; Jaelus attempted to show you the trivial nature of your beliefs on this subject, but you simply invented a classification that supports your opinion.</p><p><br /></p><p>You are free to believe that abrasions from coin to coin contact in a sliding motion causes a change in preservation state while coin to coin contact that cause marks simply degrade condition and don&#039;t change preservation state.&nbsp; But when that belief results in an entire series of coins (Saints) that are relegated to AU status, the rest of us see the flaw and refuse to accept the absolute philosophy that &quot;wear is wear.&quot;&nbsp; When you an open an unsealed bag of Saints, and pull out coin after coin with high point friction, knowing that none have ever seen circulation, the logical result in the grading world is the market grading that you abhor.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is a serious question.&nbsp; Why do you think that the TPGs make allowances for cabinet/roll friction?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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