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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GoldFinger1969, post: 2093379, member: 73489&quot;]That&#039;s an excellent point, one on which I go back-and-forth on.</p><p><br /></p><p>In theory...<i><b>in theory...</b></i>bag marks are going to do less damage than circulation damage.&nbsp; But suppose we tracked 2 coins....one circulates for weeks and months but mostly lays at the bottom of a cash register...the other is moved daily in a bag from Mint at some bank.</p><p><br /></p><p>3 months later, we check them and the condition of the circulated coin is much nicer, better eye appeal, much less dings and marks and scuffs, better luster, than the kept-in-the-original-Mint bag.</p><p><br /></p><p><b><span style="color: #0000ff">OK, that&#039;s an extreme outlier, I freely admit.</span></b>&nbsp; But I guess that the TPGs are saying that&#039;s what they are trying to incorporate at times even if official, technical, by-the-book grading of ANA should NOT allow for it.</p><p><br /></p><p>But again...if the TPGs and ANA co-jointly wrote the book, maybe they would have allowed for this leeway had they known about it ?&nbsp; Or similar deviations from a 100% strict by-the-book grading regimen ?</p><p><br /></p><p><b><span style="color: #b30000">I&#039;m not making any excuses for MS-63&#039;s or MS-64&#039;s which go up 3 grades over a decade. </span></b> That&#039;s totally separate.&nbsp; I&#039;m talking about the OPINION of WEIGHING different deviations from MS-70 perfection with all of these variables (among others):</p><ul> <li>Luster or shine</li> <li>Bag marks...how many ?</li> <li>a single big dent or gouge</li> <li>marks away from key devices vs. marks on faces or Eagles etc.</li> <li>wear on high points but the rest of the coin is somehow flawless</li> <li>strong vs. weak strike</li> <li>overall eye appeal: how the coin looks in the first 10 seconds when you look at it....vs. how it looks when you study it CLOSELY for 1-2 minutes.....vs. how it looks when you take out a loupe or lens for a minute or two.</li> <li>Toning:&nbsp; I hate it, but others love it.&nbsp; How do you split that sentiment ?</li> </ul><p>Again, I have never read the official ANA guide -- I will !<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; -- so maybe this will be alot clearer to me after I read it.&nbsp; But it&#039;s possible I may feel the same way, namely that while I don&#039;t like the egregious examples posted by Rick Snow and others about coins going up multiple grades and screwing things up, if you DON&#039;T upgrade the ANA official guidelines (when were they first devised, 1980&#039;s ?) then how do you incorporate something like toning -- again, I hate it <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie9" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> -- which 30 years ago may have cost you tons of points on the grade (&quot;It&#039;s discolored&quot;) and today it&#039;s considered a PLUS and worth lots of $$$ if it gives the coin a nice look.</p><p><br /></p><p>Hey, I know I&#039;m stirring up a can of worms here.&nbsp; Entire face of a Morgan Silver Dollar rainbow colored ?&nbsp; High grade coin, lots of $$$ !!&nbsp; Single copper spot on a Saint ?&nbsp; 2 demerits, back of the class, no soup for you !!! NEXT !!! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b><i><span style="color: #4d4dff">Let&#039;s face it, if we can&#039;t agree among ourselves -- and this is 1 message board of dozens, a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of serious collectors -- how can the TPGs be expected to please ALL of us ?</span></i></b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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