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<p>[QUOTE="JPeace$, post: 2091721, member: 42727"]Interesting discussion on die cracks. I think some of them can be very interesting. When collecting a large series (dates/mm's), it's nice to "break up" the monotony by adding coins with unique die cracks/breaks.</p><p> </p><p>What's interesting is how to characterize the die break. Is it mint damage during the process or is it not? I can see both sides of the "coin"; pun intended.</p><p> </p><p>On the one hand, the coin's design did not have "die cracks" and the orginal dies weren't made with them, so die cracks could be considered flaws. If they are considered flaws, than there is no way coins can achieve the same grade with everything being equal.</p><p> </p><p>However, if you consider grading to start "as the mint intended", then you could argue that die cracks shouldn't reduce the technical grade. After all, if the mint didn't "intend" the coin to be stamped with die cracks, they would have stopped the process once a die crack was discovered, remove the die from production and insert new ones. It's clear they did not do this.</p><p> </p><p>I was on the fence when I started this reply, but after typing, editing and re-typing, I believe that coins with die cracks should not grade the same as those without them, everything else being equal.</p><p> </p><p>I own this coin and it's not been sent to be graded yet. I plan to do that this year. I love the coin and I think the die crack and reverse flaws add character to the coin. That being said, how can I expect my coin to achieve the same grade to a similar coin (strike, luster, lack of contact marks, light wear) that doesn't have these die cracks? My coin appears to be from a medium state die and IMO, is very eye appealing, but it certainly doesn't represent the coin as the designer intended.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jpcienkus/media/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BN_zps0e62a950.jpg.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jpcienkus/media/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BN_zps0e62a950.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/jpcienkus/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BN_zps0e62a950.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a><a href="http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jpcienkus/media/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BNreverse_zps02ad7360.jpg.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jpcienkus/media/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BNreverse_zps02ad7360.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/jpcienkus/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BNreverse_zps02ad7360.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p> </p><p>So what grade reductions do you give a coin for having die cracks that don't distract from the overall eye appeal of a coin? Is it one point? 2? Do you count the number of die cracks? Do you consider the location? IMO, this is where it really gets subjective. After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One mans rainbow toned morgan is another mans tarnished dreck.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="JPeace$, post: 2091721, member: 42727"]Interesting discussion on die cracks. I think some of them can be very interesting. When collecting a large series (dates/mm's), it's nice to "break up" the monotony by adding coins with unique die cracks/breaks. What's interesting is how to characterize the die break. Is it mint damage during the process or is it not? I can see both sides of the "coin"; pun intended. On the one hand, the coin's design did not have "die cracks" and the orginal dies weren't made with them, so die cracks could be considered flaws. If they are considered flaws, than there is no way coins can achieve the same grade with everything being equal. However, if you consider grading to start "as the mint intended", then you could argue that die cracks shouldn't reduce the technical grade. After all, if the mint didn't "intend" the coin to be stamped with die cracks, they would have stopped the process once a die crack was discovered, remove the die from production and insert new ones. It's clear they did not do this. I was on the fence when I started this reply, but after typing, editing and re-typing, I believe that coins with die cracks should not grade the same as those without them, everything else being equal. I own this coin and it's not been sent to be graded yet. I plan to do that this year. I love the coin and I think the die crack and reverse flaws add character to the coin. That being said, how can I expect my coin to achieve the same grade to a similar coin (strike, luster, lack of contact marks, light wear) that doesn't have these die cracks? My coin appears to be from a medium state die and IMO, is very eye appealing, but it certainly doesn't represent the coin as the designer intended. [URL='http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jpcienkus/media/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BN_zps0e62a950.jpg.html'][IMG]http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/jpcienkus/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BN_zps0e62a950.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL='http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jpcienkus/media/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BNreverse_zps02ad7360.jpg.html'][IMG]http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/jpcienkus/Copper%20coins/1818MS63BNreverse_zps02ad7360.jpg[/IMG][/URL] So what grade reductions do you give a coin for having die cracks that don't distract from the overall eye appeal of a coin? Is it one point? 2? Do you count the number of die cracks? Do you consider the location? IMO, this is where it really gets subjective. After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One mans rainbow toned morgan is another mans tarnished dreck.[/QUOTE]
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