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<p>[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 2091579, member: 46237"]Yes, that's exactly my point. The TPGs are market grading and they <i>aren't </i>downgrading for die cracks. This is a clear indication that the market doesn't see them as flaws and that they still fall under "esoteric aspects" to be determined by the collector in pricing. Doug is arguing that the TPGs and the market have all got it wrong.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>But at the time of striking, the cracks <i>are</i> in the die and the die is being deliberately used. Let's say they carefully produce a fully struck coin with those dies, ensuring it does not come in contact with other coins. The resulting coin will be a fully lustrous perfect uncirculated specimen that is faithful to the dies used, is it not?</p><p><br /></p><p>Take the Bashlow CSA restrikes for example since this represents the extreme. Here's an NGC MS68 example courtesy of Heritage, but if you care to check the pop reports, you'll see NGC and PCGS have both graded these up to 68s. We're not just talking die cracks here. These dies were defaced with a hammer and chisel. You can clearly get a perfect (or nearly so) coin from any die state.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://dyn2.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B1%2F1%2F0%2F3%2F2%2F11032683%5D%2Csizedata%5B840x2000%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><img src="http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B1%2F1%2F0%2F3%2F2%2F11032684%5D%2Csizedata%5B840x2000%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 2091579, member: 46237"]Yes, that's exactly my point. The TPGs are market grading and they [I]aren't [/I]downgrading for die cracks. This is a clear indication that the market doesn't see them as flaws and that they still fall under "esoteric aspects" to be determined by the collector in pricing. Doug is arguing that the TPGs and the market have all got it wrong. But at the time of striking, the cracks [I]are[/I] in the die and the die is being deliberately used. Let's say they carefully produce a fully struck coin with those dies, ensuring it does not come in contact with other coins. The resulting coin will be a fully lustrous perfect uncirculated specimen that is faithful to the dies used, is it not? Take the Bashlow CSA restrikes for example since this represents the extreme. Here's an NGC MS68 example courtesy of Heritage, but if you care to check the pop reports, you'll see NGC and PCGS have both graded these up to 68s. We're not just talking die cracks here. These dies were defaced with a hammer and chisel. You can clearly get a perfect (or nearly so) coin from any die state. [IMG]http://dyn2.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B1%2F1%2F0%2F3%2F2%2F11032683%5D%2Csizedata%5B840x2000%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D[/IMG] [IMG]http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B1%2F1%2F0%2F3%2F2%2F11032684%5D%2Csizedata%5B840x2000%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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