Thoughts & Strategies for Building a US Type Set

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Tom B, Feb 27, 2015.

  1. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    This appears to be an important topic to address because, in my opinion, it seems that not only are a large number of folks actively engaged in building US type sets, but other members of the community also appear to be poised to take the plunge. Keeping that in mind, I thought it might be useful to share my experiences and strategies. In this manner, I may be able to help those who might otherwise go less prepared into this endeavor.

    My opinion of the US type set is that it is the quintessential set for the dedicated non-set builder. That is, those folks who would otherwise be bored or lose interest in longer sets might do very well to look seriously at the benefits of a type set. Speaking for myself only, I fit the non-set builder category quite well because I have only completed four sets and three of these required five coins or fewer (Draped Bust/Small Eagle quarters, Flowing Hair halves and Reeded Edge halves). The fourth set (Barber halves) was a behemoth of a 73-coin effort that left me bedraggled and certain that I would never want to go through that level of series dedication and commitment again.

    Currently, there are at least three major players in the market for US type set albums and these include Whitman, Dansco and the now defunct Library of Coins albums. Though no longer manufactured, there is still a significant supply of the Library of Coins albums and they are quite well known. Of these, the Dansco 7070 entry is by far the most popular choice among US type set devotees. However, either Dansco has discontinued this configuration or there are supply issues with this album since it has been extremely difficult to find for the last several years. The familiar blue Whitman Classic albums are attractive, sturdy and made to the same quality standards as the Dansco albums, but are produced as a non-customizable two-album set that includes all the US type coins including the prohibitively expensive Draped Bust/Small Eagle quarter and half dollar and the Gobrecht dollar. If one were to buy the most generic issue for each type and were to put VF or better coins in these Whitman Classic albums then the entire set, once completed, would run far in excess of $100,000. This is enough to deter most any US type set builder from starting a set in this album. Similarly, the Library of Coins albums were available as a non-customizable two-album set, however this set included many fewer of the earlier, more expensive type coins and is much more attractive to most collectors. The Dansco entry appears to have embraced the best of both worlds since it has the ability to add or subtract pages that are dedicated to various niche areas and, in its basic format, has done away with the prohibitively expensive type coins that would mightily intimidate most people. To be consistent with my own raw US type set, and with market saturation, I will write about building one of these sets using the Dansco 7070 format.

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    There are certain peculiarities, or areas of consternation, inherent in pursuing a complete US type set in a Dansco album. These include the fact that early copper, especially prior to 1840, had slight variances in diameter and the holes for these coins are larger than is typically needed, which results in loose fitting pieces that may need a shim. Similarly, production of Capped Bust half dollars resulted in slightly different diameters and this coin lead to difficulty in getting the coin seated into the hole. Small coins affected by this include the three-cent silver, which in my experience was near impossible to fix in place without being either at a maddening angle or hopelessly caught between the cardboard page and the outer page sleeve.

    Less a quirk and more of a philosophical problem I have with the Dansco set is the omission of many important coins that fall within the date range of coins presented in the album. These albums are most complete from 1830 onward and may be finished in their entirety without any contribution from 18th century coinage. Major 19th century types missing entirely include the large sized Capped Bust dimes and quarters, all Draped Bust silver coinage and Gobrecht dollars while only one slot each is present for the three distinct types of three-cent silver and for the two types of Reeded Edge halves. There are also fewer coins needed to fill out the myriad Seated dime, quarter and half entries than is typically accepted, though most folks would not complain about this feature. Puzzling, though, is that the very important No Stars Seated coinage has no representation. Certain underrepresented 20th century types include the Peace dollar series where there is only one slot for two major types, the Standing Liberty quarter series that has two slots for three major types and the odd array of Kennedy half dollar and Ike dollar choices. The Kennedy half dollar has two slots for use between its three metallic compositions, similar to the Ike dollar where slots for the two metallic compositions are insufficient. The additional page for Bicentennial coinage and other modern issues can hold the 40% silver issues of the quarter, half and dollar. However, this creative squeezing in of various metallic composition types is inconsistent with the metallic composition slots readily made available for the Indian Head and Lincoln cents and for the Jefferson nickel. Of course, a limit must be drawn somewhere for a commercially viable product and Dansco seems to have made the correct choices because it has clearly outpaced its competition.

    Lastly, and this is not a holder-specific issue, be extraordinarily careful when removing the plastic sleeves that surround the coin slots. I have seen scores of otherwise problem-free and attractive coinage marred by carelessness that has introduced hairlines. One may use camera lens-quality tissue to push the coin in evenly, and these coins placed deeply into their respective hoes are save. Move the plastic sleeves back into position when the coins are safe.

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    Writing about missing coin types and other quirks is one thing, but now it's time to discuss what issues are present in this album. My basic album, which includes a page for Bicentennial and other modern coins, holds 76-coins. That is quite a few coins to find, though finding many of these at or near face value is not difficult. There are three slots for half-cents, 12 for cents (four large cent slots and eight small cent slots), one for the two-cent piece, two for three-cent pieces, 12 for five-cent pieces (four half-dime slots and either nickel slots), eight for dimes, one for the twenty-cent piece, 11 for quarters, 15 for half dollars, 10 for dollars and one slot for a bullion coin. It is also easy to add niche areas such as an extra page for a gold type set. The ability to customize the content of the album, to a degree, is one of the great pleasures one will encounter if this set is undertaken.

    It is my experience that the Classic Head half-cents and large cents as well as the Seated Liberty dollars will be the toughest coins in the set. These will likely not only be the most expensive coins, if the set is undertaken at a uniform grade level, but they will also be the most difficult to find in original, problem-free and attractive condition. Outside of these four pieces, there are no extraordinarily difficult coins to find. The early copper also has a tendency to be slightly porous or pitted, especially the Classic Head designs. Some of this is unavoidable because striking of these coins on inferior planchets resulted in poor quality. Patience, however, can lead to choice coins. The small cents provide their own challenge, especially with the copper-nickel coinage. Flying Eagle cents and copper-nickel Indian Head cents should not look exactly like other small cents when it comes to coloration. These pieces were originally a more even tan and less bright orange or red than later composition cents, due to the nickel in the alloy. Even on well-worn pieces, the color should be somewhat different in the majority of cases, when compared to copper or bronze cents. Oftentimes, finding slightly corroded copper-nickel cents is due to the coin having spent time buried and is not due to improper planchet preparation. Generally, the best looking copper pieces are those without dark spots or verdigris on the surfaces and finding later date copper in this condition is easier than earlier types.

    An odd and unfortunate phenomenon that I have witnessed many times is the presence of unnaturally white, flat looking half-dimes. The half-dime series have appeared to suffer this dipped-out fate much more readily than other denominations except for perhaps the early half dollars. Regardless of whether or not the set is a circulated or mint state and proof ensemble, the coins should reflect a combination of age and usage in their appearance. It might be most difficult with half-dimes, but it is worth the effort to have the coins look original. Encountering a weak strike on the early nickel series is common. Nickel is a very hard metal and the striking pressure needed to bring out the relief was not always present, which resulted in flat looking coins. Attractive Shield and Liberty nickels might be tough coins to find. The twenty-cent piece is unique in American coinage because of the raised LIBERTY on the obverse shield and grading these coins is somewhat different. This is another series where strike can sometimes appear quite soft. The greatest problem that one might find in the quarters is to find an SLQ that has a full, bold date, even in higher grades or on mint state coins.

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    The half dollar slots are rewarding to fill since for the earliest coins required, the Capped Bust half dollars, contemporary usage was limited for many years and because of this, they largely escaped heavy circulation. The Reeded Edge half dollars will be more difficult to find with full strikes and in any type of attractive condition. There are also four slots for commemorative half dollars and this opens up a wealth of opportunity to make the album individual. There are currently approximately 100 distinct commemorative half dollar designs, including classic and modern commemoratives, from which to choose. Within the dollar category there are two vey difficult coins and these are both Seated dollar varieties. There are one or two "generic" dates for the No Motto Seated dollars, but the With Motto Seated dollars should be found with greater frequency overall. The Seated dollars might be the most attractive coins within the entire album in very low grade, and this may be the only range that many folks will be able to find them. The Trade dollar might also be difficult, but later dollars are readily obtainable. A comparison of the Morgan dollar to its immediately adjacent dollar series of Peace and Ike is interesting and will show the incredible change in relief that the Mint decided to undertake with production of the latter two series.

    With respect to my own set, I try to place original, attractive, problem-free circulated examples throughout the album. Inclusion depends on design as in the case of the large array of commemoratives to choose from, family history attached to the piece and any other personal reason. Examples include my three-cent nickel, which came from my maternal grandfather's mother (my great-grandmother) who had been desperately poor yet raised three sons on her own in the 1910s and 1920s after her husband abandoned her. It has always amazed me that she had nothing in her name yet kept this tiny coin. The silver Washington quarter, given to me by my maternal grandmother when my maternal grandfather passed away, sat in a wooden dresser drawer from its time of issue until his death. He and I had been very close, and he had saved the piece, so now it is in my type set. My mother-in-law came to the US from Japan in her late thirties and I have chosen an 1893 Japanese yen to reside in place of the Morgan dollar because it is a contemporary of the Morgan dollar, it reflects my wife's half-Japanese heritage and because I simply do not care for the Morgan dollar design. Somewhat more trivial examples include the 1883 Hawaiian quarter that resides in my State Quarter hole and the 1838-O No Stars Seated dime that sits within the With Stars slot or the Lafayette dollar that is present in place of a modern commemorative dollar. There are many similar examples throughout the album and this gives me great satisfaction when I look through it.

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    This set invites a flexibility and independent thought process not often found in individual series. There are probably four important points that anyone who will attempt this album should keep in mind at all times. These, in no particular order, are-
    1) Build your own set! That might read as a ridiculous statement, but the set has terrific flexibility and can highlight favorite designs, compositions or denominations; can teach history via the selection of specific dates; or might reflect important dates within your family. Think long and hard about what you want the set to be before diving into it.

    2) This is a marathon, not a sprint. There are many sets put together in a very short time period and these generally look the part. Feel free to upgrade the coins in the album, but to fill a slot simply to upgrade later is not a wise use of resources; be patient.

    3) Think about the entirety of this set before you begin and while you enjoy putting it together. It can be extremely expensive if you want every coin to be a pristine mint state or proof example. Alternatively, it can end up looking ragged if some coins are on the lower end of mint state while others are highly circulated. The overall "look" of the combined individual pieces within the grade range or ranges chosen might reflect a desire to highlight blast white, attractively toned or original, circulated grey and brown examples. My set features original circulated surfaces, similar to the thrust of the coins on my website.

    4) Enjoy yourself!

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  3. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Great post and beautiful pics.

    I'm also not much of a series collector. I don't want yet another album full of the same coins every other collector has, and I don't want to have to get out a loupe to be able to tell my 27 different VAMS of the same date and mint apart. The only series that's much interested me is Franklin halves because it's a fairly short and affordable series, but, even there, I've added a bit of challenge because I want to collect them all with nice, golden toning. :) I think if I wasn't into type collecting, I'd have to be an error collector. :)

    One thing to mention is that other than commems (which are also fun and interesting to collect by type!), a type set is going to be one of the few sets that you can put together where the coins won't all look alike at first glance. That makes them particularly appealing to show off to non-collectors who don't give a rip about varieties or even mint marks.

    Also, unlike collecting a series by date and mint or variety, a type set is an idiosyncratic challenge that one sets for oneself. The process is simple:
    1. Think about what you want to accomplish with your type set.
    2. Make a list of the coins to be included.
    3. Go find and buy them all.
    Many (most?) people go the "no gold" route to reduce expense. A lot don't go for the early Flowing Hair dollars for the same reason. At the other extreme, we've recently seen a post at this site by a collector doing a Lincoln cent type set that includes 97 coins!

    I'd like to see some more thoughts on storage and display other than albums. None of the existing type set albums fit my idea of what I want to accomplish well enough, nor do they provide what I feel is adequate enough physical protection for the coins. As of now, I have my coins in a mishmash of slabs and ring-type Air-Tites, but, eventually that may change.
     
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  4. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    Thanks for taking the time to write this up. I am currently working on one and this was definitely helpful. Thanks Tom.
     
  5. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Thanks Tom B. I'm putting together a NGC registry Type set + gold. It's a little different from the Danso version. Unfortunately, it only has 1 slot for a modern commem.
     
  6. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Good write up . I really have to get back on track and finish my set , sans early dollars , I'm going up to 1/2 dollars with one Seated dollar to go with the Morgan , Trade and Peace . Thanks for the incentive to get back on track and concentrate on only 3 areas instead of 6 or 7 .
     
  7. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    It has always bothered me that there never was a quality album available for type sets. I am speaking of one that wouldn't cause damage to the coins since I mainly collect proofs.
     
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  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    When I started my type set my first aim was to get coins that would allow a viewer to get the general understanding of the intent of the Mint coin designers.

    To that end I set the grades I would accept at Extra Fine or better since there was sufficient design details.
    The cost of each coin was to be $500 or less.
    I also decided the content of my type set was to be:
    -- limited to the designs found in the Red Book
    -- limited to business strikes
    -- limited to the designs prior to 1965.

    Over time I found that the $500 or less limitation was not possible.
    And over time I found that the Extra Fine or better level was not possible.
    I had to accept some coins lower than XF and pay more than $500 for others.
    I eventually had to go with the best grade I could afford.

    As a further aid to defining the content of my set I looked at the three already established type sets:
    -- the Dansco 7070
    -- the PCGS Registry Set
    -- the NGC Registry Set
    Since the NGC Registry Set appeared to be the most comprehensive I chose it as my guide.
    That set also showed me that I had missed a few designs such as the recessed date variety of the SLQ (1925-1930).
    I also used the short set NGC Gold Registry Set (1834-1933) as my model.

    So where am I with the collection?

    My NGC Gold Registry Set (1834-1933) is complete.
    It contains 20 coins only one of which is lower than XF-45; my Classic Head Half Eagle (1834-1838) is VF-30.

    My NGC Registry Set (1793-1964) is missing about 8-10 coins all in the 1790's.
    And as nearly as I can determine there is only 3 that I can reasonably expect to acquire.
     
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  9. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    Kirk, have you tried Capital? They make custom holders I believe, it can be quite pricey, but they do make those.

    Commission them to make you a couple and then sell the extras to help defray your cost some.

    If i went that route, I may would pick out the coins I wanted displayed, buy directfit airtites for all of them, and THEN have Capital make me a holder fitted to the outside airtite diameter to reduce the airflow even more. I am sure they can find thick enough plexiglass to compensate for the thicker capsules.
     
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  10. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I have something else already in motion, but I'll keep that under my hat until it's ready. That's a pretty good idea though and the sort of protection that I'm looking for.
     
  11. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I vote TOTM.
     
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  12. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    May I ask what you consider to be a proof type set?
     
  13. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Well there have been more special strikes than I could ever consider placing in my collection. Consider the 1794 SP-66 dollar, SP-67 chain SP-66 half disme as a few unobtainable proofs (by me anyway). Generally speaking, any proof post 1836 is acquirable but can take years to settle on and can cost you a pile. Taking on a proof type set has been my self imposed challenge for nearly thirty years, but having the opportunity to place coins with a mintage of less than a couple of dozen coins is just cool. I still need most of the bust and capped bust series, just about all of the gold and improvements on my current collection to go, but I do hold some spectacular pieces so far. I hope another thirty years of collecting will get me marginally closer to my goal. If not, at least my son will have something to trade for video games. image.jpg image.jpg This is my only early proof copper, but one of my personal favorites. This isn't of the later restrike series and is one of just a couple original surviving proof of the date. Weight is 5.44g, full cameo reverse, nice color and a beauty in hand.
     
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  14. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Tom, that is best post on this forum in years. Thank you for your time and effort, it is great to see the results of numismatic passion. I love the circulated Lafayette Dollar which are not easy to find problem free. Were you forced to purchase any of your coins graded and crack them out? If so, which ones?
     
  15. Chiefbullsit

    Chiefbullsit CRAZY HORSE

    I agree, best I've seen period. Thanks Tom, for your time and knowledge.
     
  16. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    Wow! Thank you for the kind words and also the great posts that have added so much to the topic.

    When I was building my Dansco 7070 I never cracked a coin out of a holder to place it in the book. Since I could pretty much put any coin in any slot it meant that the flexibility allowed me to avoid buying certified coins.
     
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  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Ok Tom, now show me the reverse of that Lafayette Dollar so I can figure out the DuVall Number.
     
  18. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    When did you start your Dansco 7070? Was it before slabs dominated the coin market?
     
  19. brg5658

    brg5658 Supporter! Supporter

    Tom, great advice and insight. Best post I have read here in a very very very long time.
     
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  20. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Great thread, Tom! Nothing beats having an album of coins in front of you, but a lot of the coins in my type set (which advances by fits and starts) are graded & slabbed. I haven't done it yet but I think I will put my 'virtual' type set on CollectiveCoin as it is so easy to use.
    BTW I love the coins imaged in the thread, beautiful examples.
     
  21. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    Thank you for the additional kind replies. I had started the set in the album in or around the year 2000. However, I had been involved in numismatics far longer and had already acquired many of these coins previously where they remained in cotton sleeves and Kraft-style envelopes. I stopped actively working on the set around 2007 or 2008.

    As requested, here is the reverse for the Lafayette-

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