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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3553767, member: 24314&quot;]Lehigh96, posted:&nbsp; &quot;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"> heard you the first time, no reason to yell.&nbsp; By working for that company and taking the salary they pay you, <b>you are complicit in the final grade that you don&#039;t agree with.&nbsp; You don&#039;t wanna be a sell out?&nbsp; Quit your job.&quot;</b></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span style="color: #330066">You just don&#039;t get it.&nbsp; If I grade a coin AU cleaned and it goes out MS-61, that is not my problem.&nbsp; If a customer sends in an over-graded coin or C/F, that&#039;s not my problem either.&nbsp; This discussion does not bother me at all. Hopefully, some eyes will be opened by it.&nbsp; I use interactions such as this to teach students &quot;the way things ought to be in Utopia.&quot;&nbsp; <b>I sleep like a baby at night and grade some AU coins MS during the day. </b> Finally, I&#039;m one of the lucky people in the world.</span></i>&nbsp; <b><span style="color: #b30000">I DON&#039;T HAVE A JOB</span></b>! </span><span style="color: #330066"><i> I&nbsp; get to play at my hobby all day long and get paid to do it.&nbsp; </i></span></p><p><i><span style="color: #330066">And you suggest I quit...<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />!&nbsp; </span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;I refer you back to your own defense of Doug in this very thread and his use of absolutes.&nbsp; There is no difference between what you defended Doug for doing and what the authors of this section of the PCGS Grading Guide did,</p><p><b>NO DIFFERENCE</b>!</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #330066"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </span><i><span style="color: #660066"><span style="color: #330066">Oh my, are you equating Doug with the <b>OFFICIAL</b> GUIDE published by the <b>PROFESSIONAL</b> COIN GRADING SERVICE?&nbsp; Doug&#039;s good but let&#039;s keep this between you and I.</span>&nbsp; </span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>As to the larger point, an overwhelming majority of Saints show roll/stacking friction and this point was confirmed by a very knowledgeable Saint collector.&nbsp; And despite all your bluster in this post, you haven&#039;t denied my assertion that most Saints to suffer from roll/stacking friction. </p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #330066">Please don&#039;t misquote me along with your other <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.&nbsp; Any YN in Basic Coin Grading 101 know this is true: &quot;Most Saints suffer from roll/stacking friction.&quot;&nbsp; I never said they didn&#039;t.&nbsp; Some &quot;Ex-Pert&quot; you consulted told you a PCGS &quot;Ex-Pert&quot; wrote that any saints w/o this characteristic are counterfeit!&nbsp; The opinion of two &quot;Ex-Perts&quot; is still (hyperbole) just a few drops of water in the cup!</span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #330066"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #330066">BTW, this thread is <b>NOT</b> about Doug and <b>NOT</b> about Stacking rub!&nbsp; It is about the weasel words&quot;cabinet friction&quot; and how this crack in our &quot;old&quot; grading system has allowed some AU&#039;s to be graded MS (EVEN BY ME in the pursuit of my daily hobby). So lets stay focused.</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;BTW, it is plainly obvious that I hit a nerve by calling you a sellout.&nbsp; FWIW, I don&#039;t blame you for taking the money, I would probably do the same thing.&nbsp; But I stand behind what I said.&nbsp; You are taking money from a company that violates your own grading principles by deliberately over-grading coins that deceives the most vulnerable collectors, the uninformed.&nbsp; But consider this, would you be so upset if there wasn&#039;t a measure of truth to my accusation?&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <i><span style="color: #660066">If I write that I am not upset at all, does that indicate that I am upset?&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></i></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><i>I already answered this.&nbsp; Just as you don&#039;t agree with some of the grades you receive, I get paid to grade coins as I see them.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> As I wrote this, </i><b><u><span style="color: #b30000">I just realized that at every TPGS I worked at I actually did put my personal grade on every coin I examined. </span></u></b><i> Yikes!&nbsp; I&#039;ve been mistakenly calling myself a sell out!&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#039;m the first grader on a box and when my grade is overruled (mostly up graded) it is not my problem.&nbsp; I really don&#039;t play the commercial grading game.&nbsp; That&#039;s why I didn&#039;t get upset!&nbsp; I don&#039;t call AU&#039;s MS after all!</i></span>&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Lehigh96, posted: &quot;In order to change grading standards cyclically as many collectors on this forum suggest.&nbsp; A process whereby the TPG loosens then tightens their grading standards in order to boost resubmissions, the TPG would have to use internal memos to effect such a change in policy.&nbsp; Any memo of this nature would be irrefutable proof of the fraud that they are committing by offering a grading guarantee, changing the standards for grading, and then refusing to honor their guarantee upon receipt of a coin sent in for appearance review.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are hundreds of current and former graders at these TPGs.&nbsp; It is your assertion that all these people have such little integrity than not one has decided to expose the fraud by violating the NDA they invariably signed?&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660066">Please, don&#039;t be naïve.</span></i> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie66" alt=":muted:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; <b><i><span style="color: #660066">You are absolutely correct, the TPGS don&#039;t change their grading standards.</span></i></b></p><p><b><i><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></i></b></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><i>Do you care to share your age with me?&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></i></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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