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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3523533, member: 24314&quot;]Jaelus, posted:&nbsp; &quot;Where did I say that or anything like it?&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I really don&#039;t have time to go all the way back and correct the nonsense again so I&#039;ll leave you with this one:</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>Jaelus, posted: &quot;How many here readily defend calling circulated coins <i>mint state</i> when we know a large number of examples have actually <b><i>acquired surface damage from circulating</i>? </b>The defense for calling them MS is that you can&#039;t tell where the surface damage comes from. [<i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Actually, in many cases some folks can.</span></i> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />] </p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">This statement indicates to me that someone needs to learn the correct numismatic usage of both &quot;wear&quot; and &quot;damage.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oh, some folks can misuse <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />/confuse <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> the terms because anything we do to a coin after it is struck (<b>including touching its edge and leaving finger oils as we remove it from the </b>die can be considered to be a form of surface damage <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> just as a little friction removes atoms <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> BUT do you see how insane this can get? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />) can be called damage including friction wear from circulation.&nbsp; Fortunately for all of us <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />, very few knowledgeable numismatists equate wear from circulation as damage similar to the other types of PMD.&nbsp; The two types of &quot;DAMAGE&quot; are described by two different words with two different meanings.&nbsp; Anything else is silly <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.</span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><i><span style="color: #660033">See if this helps: I can take a mint state coin right off the press and jab it a dozen times with an ice pick and now it is called a <b>DAMAGED MINT STATE COIN</b>.&nbsp; It does not drop in grade to an AU UNTIL I kick it 20 feet across the concrete and put friction wear on it starting with its high points!&nbsp; Easy concept right?</span></i> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie104" alt=":yawn:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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