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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3522401, member: 24314&quot;]I just read this thread again.&nbsp; A lot of great info and honest opinion here.&nbsp; I think if it could be compressed and edited it would make a nice chapter in a TPGS guide to show both sides of the &quot;coin.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; I shall use many of the posted opinions&nbsp; (unattributed of course) as a starting point for more articles - THANKS!</p><p><br /></p><p>Morgandude11, posted: &quot;I will simplify the issue greatly.&nbsp; <b>Cabinet friction= storage</b>.&nbsp; <span style="color: #b30000">It is no different than Morgans making contact with each other, and causing marks.</span>&nbsp; The coins haven’t circulated, therefore, they are MS.&nbsp; The whole spiel overcomplicstes what I see as a very straightforward issue.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033">Actually, it is <b>COMPLETELY DIFFERENT</b>.&nbsp; Sliding abrasion is not the same as a mark/scratch from impact. </span> </i></p><p><br /></p><p>BuffaloHunter, posted: &quot;This whole discussion reminds me of a coin show I attended many years ago in Vegas.&nbsp; One dealer had nothing but gold in his cases.&nbsp; I bet he had over a hundred common date Saints, all graded the same - MS63.&nbsp; Many were priced at what should have been the going rate for a MS63 Saint at the time, but there were others that were priced higher.&nbsp; He had priced the better looking ones (coins that now would probably grade gem or higher) accordingly.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033">Exactly!&nbsp; I have a related story.&nbsp;&nbsp; I needed an Uncirculated $20 Saint for my teaching set.&nbsp; A true &quot;technical&quot; MS coin having full luster and no rub at all on the knee, breast, or top of the eagle&#039;s wing and his breast.&nbsp; I did not wish to &quot;pay-the-piper&quot; for what I needed.&nbsp; </span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033">Thankfully, the good folks at Heritage let me pick a coin from several boxes of Saint&#039;s graded MS-62 that they were &quot;blowing-out&quot; at the show.&nbsp; I got my coin!&nbsp; I found three and took the one with the fewest marks, a full-frosty beautiful Uncirculated piece.&nbsp; </span></i>&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Jaelus, posted: &quot;How many here readily defend calling circulated coins <i>mint state</i> when we know a large number of examples have actually <i>acquired surface damage from circulating</i>? The defense for calling them MS is that you can&#039;t tell where the surface damage comes from.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yet so many here object to calling apparently <i>uncirculated</i> coins mint state when they have high point rub with pristine fields. And the defense for calling them AU and not MS is that you can&#039;t tell where the rub (surface damage) comes from. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #b30000"><b>Wear is not special. </b>Any surface damage (hits, hairlines, wear, etc.) acquired after the coin is issued from the mint is all the same.</span>&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #660033"><i>Now you&#039;ve gone and done it and here they come: <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; </i></span></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><b>IMO</b>, much of this post <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> is mostly pure, misinformed, nonsense!</span></i></p><p><span style="color: #660033"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #660033"><i>First, as you have pointed out, ancient coins are graded differently than more &quot;modern issues.&quot;&nbsp; Therefore, <b>they have no standing in this discussion;</b> and I&#039;m afraid the way they are graded has strongly influenced your opinion and introduced more confusion into this thread. </i></span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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