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I was reading on another coin chat, and THIS POST sounds like the OP....

 

I do not understand what the ebay seller did wrong...? He may not be a coin guy and inherited this collection and wants to sell it. Or bought it for cheeeap and just wants his cash. He even states AND supports his claim that he didn't sort through it. Would I bid on this? Sure, for 75% of the spot value of the silver coins I can see in the pictures. If one coin was fake, I would open a case with ebay. What is the problem?

 

Certainly the seller could have done a better job on the listing, but I see nothing actually wrong. He never says how many silver dollars there are, and says that the list is not correct. I expect the seller would be pretty upset be dragged through the mud this way.

 

Unless we start seeing multiple threads from you each and every day targeting the near countless other "scam artists" on eBay, our questioning of your motives is absolutely logical and far from "silly". You may not be able to "catch them all", but this one-man overtly personal multi-forum crusade against one seller in particular does not, thus far, suggest you've any real interest in even trying to do so.

Of course! Regardless of the valid questions/concerns as to your motives, if we do not blindly agree to do your bidding, we must therefore be part of the problem. Where have I heard this brilliant bit of logic before.....

Go back and read what I said, and please do so without trying to twist yourself into being the hero. Yes, there are a couple of photos of hand-written lists, but if you read his description he makes it very clear that the listed coins are not part of the listing/lot. I could not find where he explicitly states that "610 silver dollars are included in this listing" because he never does (and says at least twice that the lists are not accurate). Perhaps they imply the coins are included, but with a few seconds of reading effort it becomes quite clear the lists are meaningless.

If the ONLY reason you're going after this guy is because you are aware of his supposed questionable listing practices, then as mentioned above, we should expect to see many, many more threads from you attacking the other "scam artists" you've admitted to being aware of, right?

Now... could you please explain to me why this "SUCCESSFUL" (your words) "scam artist" has to go around "begging for a job" (as if that's a bad thing)? It is just that it is hard to believe such a successful (not just successful, but "SUCCESSFUL"!) scam artist would need to do such a thing. I am sorry, but even after looking through his past offerings, I simply am not seeing anything that suggests this man is some highly successful "scum bag scam artist", but what I do see is someone tiptoeing the line of slander based upon nothing more than the unsubstantiated claims of some unknown (and perhaps non-existent) "friend". Where are all of these "laughably dipped coins, counterfeits, 'unsearched rolls'...etc" you spoke of in the OP? Why should we believe that you or this "friend" are on the up and up? Has this seller personally wronged you or this "friend"? You've had ample opportunity to tell of any personal experiences with this fellow, so I can only assume this crusade is indeed one sided, and if your friend has had issues with him, perhaps he should be the one to come here and plead his case before expecting the membership to assist you in doling out black eyes.

Again, where is the "them"? Start showing us the other listings you find questionable, and if based only upon what can be seen in the listings (as opposed to this hearsay nonsense), I've little doubt there are members who will join your crusade.

Sadly, the idea that we are trying to "defend the scam artist" is nothing but more deflection on your part. There are members on this board who, if they did as you and openly called someone a scam artist, I would believe them, and this is because they've earned that trust, not by their post count but by the quality of character they've shown. You on the other hand, have come here with just a few posts and expect everyone to blindly take everything you say as unquestionable fact. This is less about the listing itself than it is about your conduct. Repeatedly calling his man a "scumbag" while offering little to nothing in the way of proof as to why he is one instead reflects negatively upon you. Had you simply let the listing speak for itself, perhaps the general reaction would have been different.

 

Hey guys, never, ever try to take a bone away from a mad dog. It's his bone to pick so let him have at it.

 

I don't see a scam in this listing a crap shoot but not a scam

 

The seller responded over on the NGC Coin Forum.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8452090#Post8452090

 

To the OP - if you're really so upset about the seller, report him to ebay, not to us. There's nothing that we can do to support your vendetta. As far as his expertise with coins, i can take him at his word that he just wants to get rid of them and apparently knows little about their value. From his user name and feedback it's clear that this is a one-off sale. You might keep in mind that public slander and libel, with or without cause, is a crime. You might hope the guy doesn't read what you've said here and other places. Your verbal assault might come back to bite you in the rear.

 

To the O.P. - You make this seller sound like he's some sort of career scam artist that deals in coins. Looking at his recent sales and current items up for bid, nothing could be further from the truth. While I'll admit the listing is poorly written and leaves a lot of uncertainty, it's a far cry from your proposterous accusations. You accuse this guy of plating copper coins and purposely "shadowing" his pictures with absolutely no merit aside from your "hunch".
With all due respect, stop pretending you're Joe Friday....

 

They say that cockroaches don’t like being in the light-of-day. I noticed that the OP has not posted to this thread since the person holding the eBay auction in question posted over on the NGC message board (linked above). I also noticed that the OP was on these message boards (just a few hours ago) at 10:32 pm

The OP referred to the seller of the eBay auction as a “real low-life”, “a scum bag shadow” and “scam artists” but I have to wonder if the OP wasn't looking in a mirror when he wrote those comments.

If the OP had any intestinal fortitude or class he would make a public apology on this message board plus the NGC message board for his in all probability, slanderous accusations.

While I agree that the auction in question could have been worded better, that in by itself gives no right for the OP to drag the reputation of the seller through the mud and then to ask other to assist him in interfering with the auction.

Planman 2014, I would still like to know your eBay handle (you had no problem giving out the sellers name and eBay handle) for I as one collector that buys on eBay regularly, I surely would not want to knowingly do business with you.

Please feel free to add me to your “block list”, on eBay I go by taclough.

Sincerely,
Tim

 

Tim I replied to the ad on NGC. I took down your 'taclough' and I will do ZERO business with you. No problem there. I would never want to buy from such a novice---it only leads to problems.

I will apologize. I called the guy a scum bag and I shouldn't. That was too nice.
He is a UTTER scum bag and the people who try and defend him are no better.

This guy is a scam, the auction was scam, he posted deceptive pictures/list on purpose and it is insanely obvious. Not up for debate.

Guy can't post a single good picture oh but he can go and 'find' this 'old list' that claims there are 610 Morgan dollars and it is clear as day. Wonder why THAT picture came out so well? I wonder why instead of posting pictures of some coins he decided to take a picture of THAT list and then AFTER he is pressed on the list he says "Oh I did not right that list". Then who did? Why take a picture of it? Why did you not make that clear?

He has no problem saying there are lots of silver half dollars and quarters but post ZERO pictures of them. The best he can do is post some pictures of newspaper taped that he says "Oh there is silver in there". How do you know that? You said the coins were unsorted? So if you knew there were lots of silver halfs and quarters that means you had to find them and see them----yet took a grand total of ZERO pictures of them. Odd.

Anybody who does not see this scam should probably stop buying coins as you are going to get taken and taken often.

 

I think we're missing the big picture. If you check his 'other items' he's got a 2003 S-10 4-cylinder with 120HP for only $3600! The height of GM's automotive engineering for a bargain price. And it's an AUTOMATIC!

There's a slight issue with the accuracy of the odometer, and with a whopping 3 pictures there's not a single one of the interior. He was probably too busy working 60 hours per week to take a couple more pics.

Friggin' SWEET!

 

Got that right!

 

Every one missed the real deal this guy has listed 100 new Sharpie with free shipping

 

Planman 2014 – I notice that you are still too chicken to state the name you go by on eBay.

You must like hiding behind your keyboard and slinging mud. No guts?

 

what kind of novice collector doesn't have time to sort his coins but does have time to read and post on the ngc board? what kind of novice collector who has the time and effort to both read and have a logon to post on the ngc is not excited about sorting through an unknown collection? i don't think it adds up. you may disagree with how the op posted but what he posted is starting to look interesting.

 

No, to me it's the same kind of ad as an unsearched roll. Most people just stay away from them. The OP was wrong in coming on here and trying to get everyone to help him with his "say so", personally I don't have time to help someone on the internet attack somebody on ebay who I don't even know. If the OP came on here like a man and showed some proof of his diatribe of the seller, then things could have worked out differently. Please, take the time to read all the OP's posts and you'll see what he's about.

 

unlike many other posters here i personally read every post in a thread prior to posting an opinion. that way while you might disagree with my post it is one based on all of the information available. just because i disagree with every other poster here doesn't mean i didn't read it all. it just means i disagree. please don't confuse me with those who feel everyone should hear their opinions on things they never even read.

second, it is exactly the same thing as an unsearched roll. fraud. if you want to claim it is unsearched legally you can not have looked at it. the guy seems to have spent time figuring out what it is enough to post yet didn't take the extra five minutes to take a close look? someone who is versed enough in coins to read and post on the ngc board yet not interested enough to look at the coins? just throw them in a box and ship?

in the state of nevada (where i live) it is a felony to do what it appears this guy is doing. from where i sit it appears as though he knows exactly what he has and is trying to intentionally misrepresent it. it appears this way. I've posted the nevada state laws here before.

maybe you don't like the way the op came out swinging, but it didn't bother me. but his style of confronting the eBay listing just doesn't change the questionable value of the eBay listing itself.

by the way, i didn't appreciate your condescending tone in your post that since i disagree i must not have read the post. maybe I'm over reading into your post and seeing something that isn't there but in fact i can and do agree to disagree with you and every other non op poster here and did read every word.

 

I agree that the ad sucks and is likely fraudulent. It's something I wouldn't bid on you see those all day long on ebay. My point is only that I wouldn't help the OP with his request to place a "report" on the seller.