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<p>[QUOTE="Aestimare, post: 7692303, member: 98537"]Wikipedia, about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus" rel="nofollow">Elagabalus</a> :</p><p>“The most sacred relics from the Roman religion were transferred from their respective shrines to the Elagabalium, <font size="3">including the emblem of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele" rel="nofollow">Great Mother</a></font>, the fire of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesta_(mythology)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesta_(mythology)" rel="nofollow">Vesta</a>, <font size="3">the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancile" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancile" rel="nofollow">Shields</a> of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salii" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salii" rel="nofollow">Salii</a></font>, and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_(mythology)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_(mythology)" rel="nofollow">Palladium</a>, so that no other god could be worshipped except in association with Elagabal.”</p><p>Juno and the Palladium in the same soon syncretic temple (admittedly in favour of Elagabalus, but what an easy way for other divinities syncretisms -<font size="3">I’m happy not to have to pronounce this word !</font>-).</p><p><br /></p><p>I think both types do exist : with infant or with Palladium.</p><p>We are in the presence of a new religious syncretism.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Spes – flower – Juno</b></p><p>Previously,</p><p>Lucilla ... on denarii and sestertii,</p><p>Julia Domna ... on sestertii, dupondii and asses under Septimius Severus, and sestertii under Caracalla,</p><p>Julia Mamaea ... on denarii, sestertii and asses, and laterly,</p><p>Cornelia Supera ... on antoniniani,</p><p>Salonina ... on Milano antoniniani, displayed Juno with Spes’ flower. Spes presided over the changes, births and marriages for ex., and Juno protected women, marriages too, and presided over fertility. No surprises then, if a syncretism assembled them. <font size="3">What are the intentions of the responsible of this association ? …</font></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Palladium – Juno</b></p><p>But the Palladium is a new attribute for Juno, maybe expressing the same meaning, then accentuating it. Julia Soaemias (on undated coins, approximately 218-220) initiated it :</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1320643[/ATTACH]</p><p>This statue, (built by Athena, after she incidentally killed Pallas, her companion in play), symbol of a city protection, Troy first (the way it arrived here varies), then Rome, the flower and Juno clearly indicate that Rome destinies fall under women’s aptitude, giving birth to emperors/city rulers. The syrian empresses are well known to be deeply invested in political life1 and even ambitious. I believe this iconography, more than a recognition’s desire testimony, reflects a political aspiration. Maesa was maybe partly responsive of Elagabalus and Soaemias’ murders. Mamaea after Obiana’s repudiation, was alone to rule with her son in 227 when he was just nearly 19 years old.</p><p>Soaemias and Mamaea’s Palladium reverses reveal their clear own promotion.</p><p><br /></p><p>If one of the two Mamaea’s Palladium/infant different types precedes or succeeds the other, a political change is implied. If they’re concomitant, they’re, according to me, of less interest.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe Faustina II coins with FORTVNAE MVLIEBRI revealed a comparable message.</p><p><br /></p><p>Personal statistics (sestertii) :</p><p>Palladium : circa 15%</p><p>Infant : circa 85 %</p><p><br /></p><p>1/ <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k4813310b/f11.item.texteImage" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k4813310b/f11.item.texteImage" rel="nofollow">Babelon, Jean, Impératrices syriennes, Paris, 1957.</a> (15% are clear)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Aestimare, post: 7692303, member: 98537"]Wikipedia, about [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus']Elagabalus[/URL] : “The most sacred relics from the Roman religion were transferred from their respective shrines to the Elagabalium, [SIZE=3]including the emblem of the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele']Great Mother[/URL][/SIZE], the fire of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesta_(mythology)']Vesta[/URL], [SIZE=3]the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancile']Shields[/URL] of the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salii']Salii[/URL][/SIZE], and the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_(mythology)']Palladium[/URL], so that no other god could be worshipped except in association with Elagabal.” Juno and the Palladium in the same soon syncretic temple (admittedly in favour of Elagabalus, but what an easy way for other divinities syncretisms -[SIZE=3]I’m happy not to have to pronounce this word ![/SIZE]-). I think both types do exist : with infant or with Palladium. We are in the presence of a new religious syncretism. [B]Spes – flower – Juno[/B] Previously, Lucilla ... on denarii and sestertii, Julia Domna ... on sestertii, dupondii and asses under Septimius Severus, and sestertii under Caracalla, Julia Mamaea ... on denarii, sestertii and asses, and laterly, Cornelia Supera ... on antoniniani, Salonina ... on Milano antoniniani, displayed Juno with Spes’ flower. Spes presided over the changes, births and marriages for ex., and Juno protected women, marriages too, and presided over fertility. No surprises then, if a syncretism assembled them. [SIZE=3]What are the intentions of the responsible of this association ? …[/SIZE] [B]Palladium – Juno[/B] But the Palladium is a new attribute for Juno, maybe expressing the same meaning, then accentuating it. Julia Soaemias (on undated coins, approximately 218-220) initiated it : [ATTACH=full]1320643[/ATTACH] This statue, (built by Athena, after she incidentally killed Pallas, her companion in play), symbol of a city protection, Troy first (the way it arrived here varies), then Rome, the flower and Juno clearly indicate that Rome destinies fall under women’s aptitude, giving birth to emperors/city rulers. The syrian empresses are well known to be deeply invested in political life1 and even ambitious. I believe this iconography, more than a recognition’s desire testimony, reflects a political aspiration. Maesa was maybe partly responsive of Elagabalus and Soaemias’ murders. Mamaea after Obiana’s repudiation, was alone to rule with her son in 227 when he was just nearly 19 years old. Soaemias and Mamaea’s Palladium reverses reveal their clear own promotion. If one of the two Mamaea’s Palladium/infant different types precedes or succeeds the other, a political change is implied. If they’re concomitant, they’re, according to me, of less interest. I believe Faustina II coins with FORTVNAE MVLIEBRI revealed a comparable message. Personal statistics (sestertii) : Palladium : circa 15% Infant : circa 85 % 1/ [URL='https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k4813310b/f11.item.texteImage']Babelon, Jean, Impératrices syriennes, Paris, 1957.[/URL] (15% are clear)[/QUOTE]
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